Fix how barriers work please

[Atelier-Bagur]

If thats the case then ok that could still work then.

[Calysto]

Make DT deploy a catalyse if possible, galvanize if not ?
That's still kinda shields stacking but on a 90s recast ; so not too OP ?

[ErryK]

realistically the only solution is to have the game check which shield is bigger and make the weaker shield 'miss'. making them stack is not a good solution, it would kill off half the healers.

personally, if i have a scholar, i'm ignoring my eukrasia button until i need to reapply my dot. my ogcds are just fine and i'm not wasting a dosis cast for a shield cast anyways.

[kaynide]

Is there any reason you can’t just stack them like how when’s can stack regen/medica 2s? Even if there needs to be a maximum possible shield for balance, surely that could be what 2 boosted adlos give?

[Brightamethyst]

Is there any reason you can’t just stack them like how when’s can stack regen/medica 2s? Even if there needs to be a maximum possible shield for balance, surely that could be what 2 boosted adlos give?

Unlike a regen which only restores lost health, a shield effectively increases max HP. Having that much shielding all the time would completely trivialize many mechanics.

1) You have 100 HP and two regens running. Mob hits you for 100 damage. You die and regen does nothing to save you.

2) You have 100 HP and a 20% shield. Mob hits you have 100 damage. You live with 20 HP.

3) You have 100 HP and two 20% shields. Mobs hits you for 100 damage. You live with 40 HP.

In scenarios 1 and 2 you're either dead or close to it. In scenario 3 you're still alive with almost half your HP. That's why SCH and SGE (and formerly AST) shields don't stack.

[kaynide]

Unlike a regen which only restores lost health, a shield effectively increases max HP. Having that much shielding all the time would completely trivialize many mechanics.

1) You have 100 HP and two regens running. Mob hits you for 100 damage. You die and regen does nothing to save you.

2) You have 100 HP and a 20% shield. Mob hits you have 100 damage. You live with 20 HP.

3) You have 100 HP and two 20% shields. Mobs hits you for 100 damage. You live with 40 HP.

In scenarios 1 and 2 you're either dead or close to it. In scenario 3 you're still alive with almost half your HP. That's why SCH and SGE (and formerly AST) shields don't stack.

I mean, only if they just slapped it together without thinking it out. Obviously it'd need balancing.

Something like a cap at 25%. (so the 20% original boosted shield, + any additional shield is just gravy)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I’d love to see them prioritizing fatter, larger shield over the smaller shield. Although I’m curious how that will affect Addersting shenanigan.

SCH/SGE

While you’re correct about the niche composition effectiveness, sometimes… pugs just aren’t that good to adjust themselves. After all, pugs will be pugs.

I remember there was one time I & my friend joined a PF for Hydaelyn EX, myself rolling as a SCH. Later on when the party fills up my co-healer was a SGE. Immediately I volunteer’d myself to be the priority GCD shielder when needed.

Their answer? ”But I needed my shield to heal.”

I nope’d out in instant. That’s a major dealbreaker. Not because I don’t get to shield. It’s because that answer indicates they have inadequate understanding how strong their overall toolkits are.

Don’t get me wrong. I’ve had few other instances I got to heal with fellow barrier healers and it was a blast. But more than not, it just won’t be as colorful as the paper shown, so I understand people desire to keep it Regen/Barrier composition in pugs setting.

[Shibi]

Their answer? ”But I needed my shield to heal.”

I'm actually wondering if the very first SGE class quest in the Arboretum is to blame for this mentality. It's quite heavy on pushing the shield mechanic over everything else.

[Liam_Harper]

I nope’d out in instant. That’s a major dealbreaker. Not because I don’t get to shield. It’s because that answer indicates they have inadequate understanding how strong their overall toolkits are.

Sages in DF or PF that aren't E-Prog addicts are so rare they make the EX mount look like a guaranteed drop by comparison.

[Seraphor]

I'm actually wondering if the very first SGE class quest in the Arboretum is to blame for this mentality. It's quite heavy on pushing the shield mechanic over everything else.

Because in low level content that's all you have, so as the introductory quest it makes sense to focus on the basics.

But Sage of all healers really drives home the "always be dpsing" paradigm simply through its kardia mechanic. Half an hour with Sage will teach you that you need to reduce incoming damage, not just shield it.

As for a solution to stacking shields, have them all actually stack, but with a maximum threshold above which additional shielding doesn't register. Perhaps 100% of the targets HP so the maximum you can reach is 200%.
E.g. SCH applies a critlo for about 80% HP, SGE applies a crit E.Diag for 50%, but caps out at 20% because it's reached the 100% maximum.