Fix how barriers work please

[CaptainLagbeard]

It'll invalidate Astro and White Mage in any end-game content if you just need to bring the shieldy boys and girls to null a good chunk of damage 24/7.

My counter argument to that would be the absolute waste of MP of spamming Aldoquium or Eukrasian Diagnosis. As Regen and Aspected Benefic still heal more in total than those spells shield for...

[Atelier-Bagur]

If thats the case then ok that could still work then.

[Rilifane]

The amount of times I've deployed a juicy adlo for it to be halved by a sage is irritating at all ends. Fortunately (or not) this is only something that pops up when you don't need super mits or coordination. You'll never see a sage and a sch (or doubled up) in Ex+. If you do you should.. uh. Leave.

And why would you do that?
SGE/ SCH is an incredibly strong comp for various reasons. Literally the only problem is that their GCD shields don't stack and you get the problem of overwriting a strong shield with a weaker one which is completely irrelevant in almost every situation and the few edge cases when it might be relevant are early tier prog scenarios where some basic coordination is mandatory anyway.
It might be a niche comp, mostly because people are still stuck with this idea that two healers of one type is bad but the reality is that it's a good comp and there is absolutely no good reason to exclude it or leave. There's not a single mechanic in Ex1/ Ex2 and P1s-P3s that would need GCD shields, especially not with a comp that has so much mitigation on top of their oGCD shields. And if healers feel like they really want to waste a GCD on something weak and unnecessary, it's as easy as typing a "I'll single target shield and you aoe shield if necessary, okay?". There. Problem solved.

I'm all for fixing how barriers work so a weaker shield can't overwrite a stronger one, though.
Maybe with the exception that EDiag can't be overwritten by any other shield, stronger or not, so Addersting generation still works. But a weak EProg shouldn't overwrite a deployed Adlo. So SGE can get their Addersting from prepull shields and SCH can deploy Adlo and neither one gets punished.
I also liked the idea someone posted in the healer forum that they should simply add a reasonable shield cap to which they stack, affected by heal modifiers from mechanics, obviously (looking at you, birdie with the juicy 4x heal buff). No healer in their right mind would spend multiple GCDs in a row to stack noodle shield after noodle shield just so the party doesn't drop at all on the next aoe when they might aswell push one oGCD and heal the damage afterwards.
If they're worried that it might become a common strat to shield-cheese mechanics: it won't. It was entirely possible on e10s to do that for orbs but was almost never seen in statics or PF. Not to mention they can always change damage downs so they apply even if a target doesn't take damage (sorry PLDs and GNBs).

[Packetdancer]

And why would you do that? SGE/ SCH is an incredibly strong comp for various reasons.

Especially since post-pull, save for certain planned spots, I'm mostly not going to be using Eukrasian shields as a SGE anyway; I'll be focusing on mitigations more. Planned spots I can quickly work out with a SCH if needed ("Hey, do you want me to drop Zoe-buffed shields on folks before Sewage Deluge, or are you going to cover them with yours?"), and SGE mitigations and SCH shields go together like peanut butter and jelly.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Correct that Catalyze does not spread. However a crit Adlo is still roughly 7000 HP spread to the group for it's barrier (increased by the 180% value thats more like a 13000 barrier). Now my fiance helped me test it again and a big one on my part of like 8000... was over written by Prognosis' 1900 or so heal. With it's 230% factored in for the barrier, that still doesn't come close to what the Adlo was. Thats the problem here, it just straight up overwrites barriers between the two versions.

Galvanize does not over write another Galvanize if higher. Sage's stuff does not overwrite another sage's if higher (again, tested)

Its literally just when you have a Sage AND Sch that it becomes a problem. A 1900 should NOT over write an 8000.

The crit gets turned into catalyze . Only galvanize spreads. So you only get the max non crit shield that spreads.

So it's never 8k. Spread adlo is 180% of the heal received. Always. Never the crit.

[Feidam]

The crit gets turned into catalyze . Only galvanize spreads. So you only get the max non crit shield that spreads.

So it's never 8k.

Yeah it is 8k. It’s actually more. In moonward gear my scholar and sage both heal for about 5150 to 5350 per heal. So that shield is more like 9k. Tying adderssting to the shield imo is what needs to be changed. If the shields can’t stack. I agree that shields stacking might be too much, but as it is now the two healers compete for space with shields.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah it is 8k. It’s actually more. In moonward gear my scholar and sage both heal for about 5150 to 5350 per heal. So that shield is more like 9k. Tying adderssting to the shield imo is what needs to be changed. If the shields can’t stack. I agree that shields stacking might be too much, but as it is now the two healers compete for space with shields.

Ahh, then I thought they were saying the crits were 8k. My bad.

But yeah, 2x 8k shields negates a lot of damage.

[LisSquid]

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You are comparing a dedicated group working for the advantages of an "off-meta" comp with joining a pug with no co-ordination. If I joined a savage PF as SCH and they brought in a random SGE I would either swap jobs or leave.

[ErryK]

realistically the only solution is to have the game check which shield is bigger and make the weaker shield 'miss'. making them stack is not a good solution, it would kill off half the healers.

personally, if i have a scholar, i'm ignoring my eukrasia button until i need to reapply my dot. my ogcds are just fine and i'm not wasting a dosis cast for a shield cast anyways.

[kaynide]

Is there any reason you can’t just stack them like how when’s can stack regen/medica 2s? Even if there needs to be a maximum possible shield for balance, surely that could be what 2 boosted adlos give?