So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[IdowhatIwant]

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I feel like this did not happen mostly cause the story has inconsistencies that don't make sense, but English may not be your first language so what ever. I personally probably would not want to join a static that cares about its rank on FFLOGs as I find that's very unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Any mention of that to me I would probably tell them I am out cause I don't really care that much about a video game.
And I also feel you should be aware that 9%, means 91% of people that did that content as your class performed better than you did on that specific run. So maybe you should take some criticism as perhaps you are doing something incorrect that could improve your performance, whether that is from deaths, damage downs, rotation issues, I don't know that's for you to discover but being that low shows there is likely an issue some where. It does sound like you do have some improvement to do before you are 100% ready for savage content though as an average player in this economy should be around 30 - 50%.
I am not sure if you were kicked out or turned down, but I would not consider that elitism, passive aggression or anything. Now if they were actually concerned about there rank on FFLOGs sure I would consider that egotistical but I wasn't there I don't know what was actually said. If I was leading a static, and we had been progging almost a month on p3s I probably would start looking into what the issues are and begin addressing them specially if these issues are consistent. Statics are fun, a team of 8 people trying to achieve a common goal, but it can start getting frustrating when people are being held back because of certain players performances. It is after all a team effort, to kill the boss before enrage timer.

[Katt_Felista]

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That static couldn't even go past adds on p3S and i did clear P1S and P2S first week without them, when i joined that static they were pretty slow to learn and they still managed to criticize me for not being pentamelded and doing average to 23% of the overall damage ranking other tanks that would clear P2S, those fights don't really have that much of a "crazy" requirement for dps check or down. That group of persons were just having a huge ego / elitist fit, they allowed the members to do their own training on their free time during the week, and after the third day of raiding with the static, they allow you to go and clear the fight we don't in static.

When i said i cleared p3S it all started going very wrong with them, they begun to be very salty and agressive on the discord , then look into "details" and my gear, kind of mocking the fact i wasn't pentameld, that i did around a 9 to 10% of overall war ranking damage that cleared this P3S fight previously, so not only they used parses / logs to criticize but they also told me that it didn't mean anythingbecause i wasn't logged higher, while they themselves take AGES to learn a fight and it's patterns, positions and all that, while i would stay silent on these issues and keep coming in the static and try to help with some advices on the fight.

They never stated their static was an "elitist" parse / log and "ranking progression" fflog or anything type of static in their recruitement, all they had as an announcement is that they needed a tank to progress into savage raiding.

So yeah, doing that after the fact is pretty shit on their part. Pretty sure that their attitude was that , they were just disgusted that "me" a supposedly "idiot" or average player can down this fight and learn it much faster than them while they still can't figure out how to go past the adds that end of the week, and we were on P3S for 2 weeks with that static when i would already consistently reach the end of the fight / enrages on week 2 so, and i still kept coming into the training even tho i was seeing that it was going very slow, i did not even at one point expressed my opinion on this at any point about the static tho, but when i did clear it, all hell broke loose and the piling on / insults and "look at your gear, look at your parse man, yeah you cleared it but it's very low on the statistics dude , you are a sh*t player" .

The only thing that bother people like that is that average players with just some good will and perseverance, consistency, CAN actually clear these fights, there is no need for gatekeeping through ultra over the top elitist criterias.

There is just a community of gatekeepers and rmt'ers that would like to make you believe you have to do all this B.S. to clear these fight so they can parasitically live off from the game rmt's.

[LittleImp]

When i said i cleared p3S it all started going very wrong with them, they begun to be very salty and agressive on the discord , then look into "details" and my gear, kind of mocking the fact i wasn't pentameld, that i did around a 9 to 10% of overall war ranking damage that cleared this P3S fight previously, so not only they used parses / logs to criticize but they also told me that it didn't mean anythingbecause i wasn't logged higher, while they themselves take AGES to learn a fight and it's patterns, positions and all that, while i would stay silent on these issues and keep coming in the static and try to help with some advices on the fight.

They were probably salty because you got carried through the fight by simply happening to join the right party at the right time. Your low damage and mechanical consistency is very likely a result of sacrificing your rotation/uptime to focus on mechanics, and if everyone in the party played like you, a clear would likely not be mathematically possible. If you haven't optimized a fight to a degree where you're actually pushing your fair share of damage, you haven't really "learned" the fight imo.

For reference, if you're doing 10% tank damage in P3S, you're something like 600+ dps off of what is widely considered to be the minimum expectation for a Tank in p4s. That's a HUGE gap, and unfairly offloads a lot of strain onto other players to make up the difference.

[Atelier-Bagur]

They were probably salty because you got carried through the fight by simply happening to join the right party at the right time. Your low damage and mechanical consistency is very likely a result of sacrificing your rotation/uptime to focus on mechanics, and if everyone in the party played like you, a clear would likely not be mathematically possible. If you haven't optimized a fight to a degree where you're actually pushing your fair share of damage, you haven't really "learned" the fight imo.

For reference, if you're doing 10% tank damage in P3S, you're something like 600+ dps off of what is widely considered to be the minimum expectation for a Tank in p4s. That's a HUGE gap, and unfairly offloads a lot of strain onto other players to make up the difference.

Oh boy here we go...

[LittleImp]

Oh boy here we go...

Do hard numeric requirements on a video game terrify you that much?

They exist. You have to meet them. It's a team game, and it's disrespectful to other people (especially strangers) if you enter a space where you are knowingly unable to contribute to meeting that hard-coded, minimum requirement. I'm just speaking frankly from a place of experience, and trying to explain why those people may have felt the way they did about the situation. But hey, this is a thread full of weirdly abrasive "casual" players making ignorant statements about a community formed around content they've barely if ever participated in. I think my favorite has been the extremely laughable "Addons killed WoW" historical revisionism.

P4S phase 1 has one of the tightest DPS checks this game has seen in recent years. Recruiting someone to your static that you know is unable to contribute to that check is just asking for more drama later.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Do hard numeric requirements on a video game terrify you that much?

They exist. You have to meet them. It's a team game, and it's disrespectful to other people (especially strangers) if you enter a space where you are knowingly unable to contribute to meeting that hard-coded, minimum requirement. I'm just speaking frankly from a place of experience, and trying to explain why those people may have felt the way they did about the situation. But hey, this is a thread full of weirdly abrasive "casual" players making ignorant statements about a community formed around content they've barely if ever participated in. I think my favorite has been the extremely laughable "Addons killed WoW" historical revisionism.

P4S phase 1 has one of the tightest DPS checks this game has seen in recent years. Recruiting someone to your static that you know is unable to contribute to that check is just asking for more drama later.

I cant say anything about P4S since I havent done it, but it just feels silly and childish to pin all the blame on a single person when its like you said a group effort.

[LittleImp]

I cant say anything about P4S since I havent done it, but it just feels silly and childish to pin all the blame on a single person when its like you said a group effort.

Let's make a hypothetical scenario here.

8 people have to deal 2.5k each to meet a minimum requirement of 20k.

7 people deal 2.6k, 1 person deals 1.7k, preventing the group from achieving the minimum requirement. This may go on for hours at a time, maybe even days, or weeks.

While trying to find a solution to this problem, is it more 'fair' to ask the people who are doing 2.6k to work even harder, or to ask the person doing 1.7k to improve or leave?

[Euphares]

I cant say anything about P4S since I havent done it, but it just feels silly and childish to pin all the blame on a single person when its like you said a group effort.

A group is made up of eight individuals.

If seven people are playing at at least 80% efficiency and one person at 20% efficiency. The takeaway isn't and shouldn't be "well none of us were playing at max efficiency so we all have areas to improve." It is going to be "Why are you doing way worse than everyone else?" (Perhaps worded more politely.)


I'm not sure why people are so against being the weak link, it happens to everyone at least once, sometimes it isn't a group issue, sometimes it is just one person bogging the group down, and everyone should be prepared to handle being that person with grace. Its one thing if the group is treating you poorly, but more often than not in my raiding experience people just don't want to or don't handle playing bad well at all.


Ironically enough, some people casual or otherwise really do think they're above criticism/mistakes, and that's why any discussion that dispells this delusion is met with such harsh pushback.