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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    I don't read that as hostile, and they have a point even Yoshi P has brought this up. The problem is people are turning it into exactly what Yoshi P does not want, a bunch of reporting over petty issues.
    That is sadly the FFXIV community in a nut shell report first ask questions never.
    “But you don’t want to accept that” and “ so you try to tell us” are hostile. Especially with the context of their post history
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    “But you don’t want to accept that” and “ so you try to tell us” are hostile. Especially with the context of their post history
    But I don't accept that, so you try to tell me it is hostile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    “But you don’t want to accept that” and “ so you try to tell us” are hostile. Especially with the context of their post history

    You are also not discussing anything. You are throwing around your “but Discord and websites and Excel are different” argument, because “the way they get their data is different”. But what's your point? Every single time, I or someone else reminds you that even YOSHI-P said that third-party tool would also mean the software for some macro keyboard or mouse or even Discord. Third-party means third-party.



    Do you not know who Yoshi-P is? Even though I wrote multiple times that he is the producer of FFXIV? Basically THE person you go to when you want to know stuff about the official side of the game. So, why are you ignoring what he says and try to actively police the TOS for him, even though he himself says that they won't ever actively hunt down players using any kind of third-party tool?
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...talking_about/
    Its an important read for this thread since a number of people seem to not understand SE and Yoshidas stance on 3rd part software.

    Continuing on, sorry, just a little bit more. Going back to ACT, it has a function where you can add plugins and with this, you can add ‘’expansions’’. And these expansions, are not part of ACT itself, but are creations form further third parties. And such expansions, destroy game balance and it goes in the game memory, and it does bad things, and from our perspective, there are much more malicious ones as well. And in regards to this, we are very serious and the moment we find evidence, the risks of penalties is extremely high and we want you to understand this. Please keep this in mind. Even on our side, we have preventions, actually we started since around 4.0 and we actually added security to the data packets of certain actions so that players can’t decipher it. This was to observe how the plugin creators reacted and responded. And we are changing the methods continuously…. And… we want you to stop. Basically, we set the rewards based on the game balance…. And so we want this to stop.
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    If you read that whole thing, in a nut shell he is saying. We have to tell you no, you can't, we want you to shut up about using them if you do use them, and we don't want people reporting over usage of them unless it is affecting actual game balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    If you read that whole thing, in a nut shell he is saying. We have to tell you no, you can't, we want you to shut up about using them if you do use them, and we don't want people reporting over usage of them unless it is affecting actual game balance.
    This is why I can't take this thread seriously. Read the second to last paragraph.
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