VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Rokke]

Ahhh, so the hair may be* more of the culprit! I guess my question would then be why did SE feel the need to design the hairstyles in such a way that would make them incompatible with the majority of headgear? Why was this not an issue with Au Ra? Is it more that they just didn't have/continually don't have enough dev time to make them work? Was going down the path of "your hair won't work with most hats" really the best they could offer? And poor Hroth with the fantasia requirement! Oof. Just sooo many questions.

For the Au Ra vs. the new races
Au Ra horns are in the same place as ears. Miqote ears are non customizable and baked into their hairstyles. All other og races have their ears in a standard place. You don't have to do much to resize helmet from A to B to C if the features are approx. in the same place. Viera are unique in that their ears are in a nonstandard place and are customizable. Hrothgar heads are nonstandard even just amongst their 4 heads.

If I had to guess why the devs decided to simply opt out of all hats in the concept stages, I'd say its likely due to planned corner cutting to get very different races complete in the time it would usually take to make a shared set. Au Ra m/f designs complement one another and even share assets/features. They didn't need to reinvent the wheel after finishing one and starting the next.

[SturmChurro]

For the Au Ra vs. the new races
Au Ra horns are in the same place as ears. Miqote ears are non customizable and baked into their hairstyles. All other og races have their ears in a standard place. You don't have to do much to resize helmet from A to B to C if the features are approx. in the same place. Viera are unique in that their ears are in a nonstandard place and are customizable. Hrothgar heads are nonstandard even just amongst their 4 heads.

If I had to guess why the devs decided to simply opt out of all hats in the concept stages, I'd say its likely due to planned corner cutting to get very different races complete in the time it would usually take to make a shared set. Au Ra m/f designs complement one another and even share assets/features. They didn't need to reinvent the wheel after finishing one and starting the next.

If it's mainly the ears, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but maybe they shouldn't have been customizable then. I'd much rather have more hairs, and headgear, than deal with this as a viera. Like, it's nice that it is customizable, but not at this cost, but, then again, I do also hold the opinion that viera/hrothgar are a very low priority, so who even knows even then if they would have added things.

I don't even care about the hat thing anymore...I just want the same number of hair options as the other races. Viera and Hrothgar got seriously screwed in the customization department.

Never going to happen.

[Rokke]

If it's mainly the ears, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but maybe they shouldn't have been customizable then. I'd much rather have more hairs, and headgear, than deal with this as a viera. Like, it's nice that it is customizable, but not at this cost, but, then again, I do also hold the opinion that viera/hrothgar are a very low priority, so who even knows even then if they would have added things.

The problem with ears and hats are kinda twofold: firstly, the ears are customizable, yes, but beyond that is also the size/placement/shape of rabbit ears in general. Compared to Miqote, Viera ears are more centered on the head and point upwards rather than outwards. Even if Viera ears were a fixed size/shape I think they'd still be weird to adjust around in 3D for a lot of hats just inherently due to rabbit ears being big and straight.

Now for hairstyles, though, thats kinda where SE loses me. Not being able to wear hats because of the missing hat hair model + big ol ears ears I begrudgingly understand as someone who has worked with 3D programs...but not having access to hairstyles in general? The only thing I can think of is that they didn't want Hrothgar to feel worse. I usually dislike bring up mods because they don't need to necessarily work out like official things do, but hairstyles are not very hard to adjust to make Viera compatible, even with customizable ears. The 2B bob is kinda the perfect proof- our ears clip right through the headband as the model wasn't significantly changed past scaling to fit our head.