VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Flatopia]

"These races will not be able to wear most headgears"

>play race anyways
>race cannot wear most headgears
>surprised pikachu.png

I understand the argument that the devs could if they dedicated a ton of more resources than they are willing to in order to resolve this.
But they've made it clear they don't want to. Heck, they barely even wanted to add Viera and Horthgar to begin with as they've also made perfectly clear.

I get the frustration, but at some point it's expected now. It's been, what, almost three years now? Yes, if a head-piece looks like it covers a large portion of the head, you probably cannot wear it. Yes, this includes event and mog-station items. It is well known and documented at this point.

No one is saying you cannot express discontent at this, but the fact that they're still an extremely played race despite this let's the developers know that they're kind of correct and that it's not a priority to them.

[Apeachs]

I actually feel really angry about the new event hat. AGAIN? Really? I thought we were done with this. I can put up with not every single brand new hat not being adjusted for viera, but a reward for an event?? REALLY?

Even if they couldn't just shrink the hat and give us a cute little top hat (like they've done for other hats), at least just give us the clown nose?? Then the outfit would still clearly be a clown.

What surprised me is that the reaper hat (job item level 89) can be worn by viera's . So clearly, they can make items wearable by viera's. So they could done the same with event items.

[LuluLavender]

"These races will not be able to wear most headgears"

>play race anyways
>race cannot wear most headgears
>surprised pikachu.png

I understand the argument that the devs could if they dedicated a ton of more resources than they are willing to in order to resolve this.
But they've made it clear they don't want to. Heck, they barely even wanted to add Viera and Horthgar to begin with as they've also made perfectly clear.

I get the frustration, but at some point it's expected now. It's been, what, almost three years now? Yes, if a head-piece looks like it covers a large portion of the head, you probably cannot wear it. Yes, this includes event and mog-station items. It is well known and documented at this point.

No one is saying you cannot express discontent at this, but the fact that they're still an extremely played race despite this let's the developers know that they're kind of correct and that it's not a priority to them.

Actually, no. At no point did they tell us we'd be unable to enjoy events because we'd be cut out of the rewards. In fact, they very recently said that they were putting effort into the development of the new races to avoid this very problem. Endwalker has made it very evident that it's possible, no one has said they want every single hat ever to work on viera - we can accept that isn't going to happen, and yes, those of us who chose to play viera knew that would be the case in the first place. We're not asking for that. Before I used a fanta for viera on the release of Shadowbringers, we knew gear would not be retroactively adjusted to fit viera. We did NOT know that future gear developed would also NOT fit viera. Those are two very different things imo.

But when they release yet another event with yet another unuseable hat, when now we actually *know* they can avoid this, you're going to have some really irritated players. When they release another hairstyle next, and the item drop doesn't even *say* it's unusuable on viera, do you really think that's ok? We get cut out of rewards and events all the time, and frankly, I really don't see the point of pouring resources into the development of races that actively cut players out of content.

[Skivvy]

So in my leveling journey, I ran across a particular hat style that left me scratching my head a bit. It's the trapper-style cap with ear muffs which I'm totally a fan of.

DRG hat:


WHM hat:


Gathering hat....womp womp (Thank you miqo'te for modeling as this does not work on bunbuns):


Now obviously there are far greater issues than just this one hat style, but the fact that it works sometimes just adds another layer of confusion to the mess that is Viera/Hrothgar implementation.

Also, Miqo'te ears are being hidden more and more often (as shown above). I would be OK with the miqo treatment if that meant we could have all the same headgear.

*Just realized both the DRG & WHM hats are from the same dungeon, so I suppose that makes sense they both work. But then that just makes me circle back to the ol' question of why don't they, at the very least, make all new gear pieces work for both races. That gathering hat is also from this xpac, seems to be just a reskinned version (maybe?), but it doesn't work.

[Yencat]

Because the first two hats remove the hair and the gathering one doesn't, it's stupid but that's why some of them work on Viera and Hrothgar.

The shape of the hat doesn't really matter much but if there's anything of the actual hairstyle showing underneath it won't show up.

[Skivvy]

Because the first two hats remove the hair and the gathering one doesn't, it's stupid but that's why some of them work on Viera and Hrothgar.

The shape of the hat doesn't really matter much but if there's anything of the actual hairstyle showing underneath it won't show up.

Ahhh, gotcha. At least there is some rhyme and reason behind it. :X

[Euphares]

"These races will not be able to wear most headgears"

>play race anyways
>race cannot wear most headgears
>surprised pikachu.png

I understand the argument that the devs could if they dedicated a ton of more resources than they are willing to in order to resolve this.
But they've made it clear they don't want to. Heck, they barely even wanted to add Viera and Horthgar to begin with as they've also made perfectly clear.

I get the frustration, but at some point it's expected now. It's been, what, almost three years now? Yes, if a head-piece looks like it covers a large portion of the head, you probably cannot wear it. Yes, this includes event and mog-station items. It is well known and documented at this point.

No one is saying you cannot express discontent at this, but the fact that they're still an extremely played race despite this let's the developers know that they're kind of correct and that it's not a priority to them.

You get the frustration yet you make a meme post anyways?

I'll never understand people who's first thought is just to say "don't complain." How does that fix anything?


Most if not all of the changes made to this game were because people complained. Complaining is good, when respectful of course.


Just taking anything the devs give you only serves to hurt the game, not help it, the devs need player feedback.

[HeyMcFly]

"These races will not be able to wear most headgears"

>play race anyways
>race cannot wear most headgears
>surprised pikachu.png

I understand the argument that the devs could if they dedicated a ton of more resources than they are willing to in order to resolve this.
But they've made it clear they don't want to. Heck, they barely even wanted to add Viera and Horthgar to begin with as they've also made perfectly clear.

I get the frustration, but at some point it's expected now. It's been, what, almost three years now? Yes, if a head-piece looks like it covers a large portion of the head, you probably cannot wear it. Yes, this includes event and mog-station items. It is well known and documented at this point.

No one is saying you cannot express discontent at this, but the fact that they're still an extremely played race despite this let's the developers know that they're kind of correct and that it's not a priority to them.

I guess a small indie company like square enix would have trouble completing these known issues due to lack of funding, right?

[Flatopia]

I guess a small indie company like square enix would have trouble completing these known issues due to lack of funding, right?

My favorite part of my original quote is the part where I literally say the devs could if they wanted to, but don't feel the need to do so currently.
My mistake, I forgot I implied a lack of funding or defended the developers for doing this by specifically not saying those points. I'll be sure to not imply what I don't say better in the future. I'll be sure to remember to keep in mind what people will NOT read and then make up.

The devs should fix it, I actually never said they shouldn't or couldn't. I, in fact, said they could.

The point is that people DO keep defending the developers decision to play these races despite not being able to wear most headgear. They do so, by continuing to play as those races with these issues, telling the devs that it apparently isn't that big of a deal.

The devs told people they would not be able to wear hats, and people say it's a bad issue that should be resolved while still actively fantasia-ing into those races. Of course the developers are not going to fix it, why would they? People are STILL going to play as them. Why would they go out of their way to fix an issue with a race that isn't so bad that most people fantasia off the race? They have zero incentive to do so.

[Raikai]

So in my leveling journey, I ran across a particular hat style that left me scratching my head a bit. It's the trapper-style cap with ear muffs which I'm totally a fan of.

DRG hat:


WHM hat:


Gathering hat....womp womp (Thank you miqo'te for modeling as this does not work on bunbuns):


Now obviously there are far greater issues than just this one hat style, but the fact that it works sometimes just adds another layer of confusion to the mess that is Viera/Hrothgar implementation.

Also, Miqo'te ears are being hidden more and more often (as shown above). I would be OK with the miqo treatment if that meant we could have all the same headgear.

*Just realized both the DRG & WHM hats are from the same dungeon, so I suppose that makes sense they both work. But then that just makes me circle back to the ol' question of why don't they, at the very least, make all new gear pieces work for both races. That gathering hat is also from this xpac, seems to be just a reskinned version (maybe?), but it doesn't work.

The answer for this, theorized by people who must have been modding the game, is that this instance of headgear works because it doesn't show any hair - at all.

And to this, is pointed that it's actually a hair problem, as in... Viera, both male and female, have no "hat friendly" versions of their exclusive hairstyles.

That's no excuse, though... They only have 9 exclusive styles each gender, so is not like it's a ton of work. Given that some hat friendly variations are made by simply omitting parts of its structure.

Bear in mind that there's also a third issue of some "tall" headgear clipping horribly with Viera ears displayed. But those would be the exceptions, I suppose.