VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Skivvy]

So in my leveling journey, I ran across a particular hat style that left me scratching my head a bit. It's the trapper-style cap with ear muffs which I'm totally a fan of.

DRG hat:


WHM hat:


Gathering hat....womp womp (Thank you miqo'te for modeling as this does not work on bunbuns):


Now obviously there are far greater issues than just this one hat style, but the fact that it works sometimes just adds another layer of confusion to the mess that is Viera/Hrothgar implementation.

Also, Miqo'te ears are being hidden more and more often (as shown above). I would be OK with the miqo treatment if that meant we could have all the same headgear.

*Just realized both the DRG & WHM hats are from the same dungeon, so I suppose that makes sense they both work. But then that just makes me circle back to the ol' question of why don't they, at the very least, make all new gear pieces work for both races. That gathering hat is also from this xpac, seems to be just a reskinned version (maybe?), but it doesn't work.

[Yencat]

Because the first two hats remove the hair and the gathering one doesn't, it's stupid but that's why some of them work on Viera and Hrothgar.

The shape of the hat doesn't really matter much but if there's anything of the actual hairstyle showing underneath it won't show up.

[Skivvy]

Because the first two hats remove the hair and the gathering one doesn't, it's stupid but that's why some of them work on Viera and Hrothgar.

The shape of the hat doesn't really matter much but if there's anything of the actual hairstyle showing underneath it won't show up.

Ahhh, gotcha. At least there is some rhyme and reason behind it. :X

[Raikai]

So in my leveling journey, I ran across a particular hat style that left me scratching my head a bit. It's the trapper-style cap with ear muffs which I'm totally a fan of.

DRG hat:


WHM hat:


Gathering hat....womp womp (Thank you miqo'te for modeling as this does not work on bunbuns):


Now obviously there are far greater issues than just this one hat style, but the fact that it works sometimes just adds another layer of confusion to the mess that is Viera/Hrothgar implementation.

Also, Miqo'te ears are being hidden more and more often (as shown above). I would be OK with the miqo treatment if that meant we could have all the same headgear.

*Just realized both the DRG & WHM hats are from the same dungeon, so I suppose that makes sense they both work. But then that just makes me circle back to the ol' question of why don't they, at the very least, make all new gear pieces work for both races. That gathering hat is also from this xpac, seems to be just a reskinned version (maybe?), but it doesn't work.

The answer for this, theorized by people who must have been modding the game, is that this instance of headgear works because it doesn't show any hair - at all.

And to this, is pointed that it's actually a hair problem, as in... Viera, both male and female, have no "hat friendly" versions of their exclusive hairstyles.

That's no excuse, though... They only have 9 exclusive styles each gender, so is not like it's a ton of work. Given that some hat friendly variations are made by simply omitting parts of its structure.

Bear in mind that there's also a third issue of some "tall" headgear clipping horribly with Viera ears displayed. But those would be the exceptions, I suppose.

[Skivvy]

The answer for this, theorized by people who must have been modding the game, is that this instance of headgear works because it doesn't show any hair - at all.

And to this, is pointed that it's actually a hair problem, as in... Viera, both male and female, have no "hat friendly" versions of their exclusive hairstyles.

That's no excuse, though... They only have 9 exclusive styles each gender, so is not like it's a ton of work. Given that some hat friendly variations are made by simply omitting parts of its structure.

Bear in mind that there's also a third issue of some "tall" headgear clipping horribly with Viera ears displayed. But those would be the exceptions, I suppose.

Ahhh, so the hair may be* more of the culprit! I guess my question would then be why did SE feel the need to design the hairstyles in such a way that would make them incompatible with the majority of headgear? Why was this not an issue with Au Ra? Is it more that they just didn't have/continually don't have enough dev time to make them work? Was going down the path of "your hair won't work with most hats" really the best they could offer? And poor Hroth with the fantasia requirement! Oof. Just sooo many questions.

[SherlottaEryut]

Ahhh, so the hair is more of the culprit! I guess my question would then be why did SE feel the need to design the hairstyles in such a way that would make them incompatible with the majority of headgear?

I believe it's because SE wanted to bring in a race like no other but underestimated how much work was required. The Viera honestly can't be compared to other races considering they've had numerous appearances throughout the FF franchise - they have their own distinctive style and identity, which is why we were supposed to get more exclusive hairstyles in time. SE can't take back the race exclusive-hair they gave us and at this point I don't think we'll ever have hats due to our puffy hair - they should just finish what they started and go with their original plan... It's not worth them trying to make us just like the other races because Viera/Hrothgar will never be equal to the others.

[LuciaMirain]

I believe it's because SE wanted to bring in a race like no other but underestimated how much work was required. The Viera honestly can't be compared to other races considering they've had numerous appearances throughout the FF franchise - they have their own distinctive style and identity, which is why we were supposed to get more exclusive hairstyles in time. SE can't take back the race exclusive-hair they gave us and at this point I don't think we'll ever have hats due to our puffy hair - they should just finish what they started and go with their original plan... It's not worth them trying to make us just like the other races because Viera/Hrothgar will never be equal to the others.

this would make sense sure, I am just wondering what the incentive to run content that drop things we cant use will be for us then? Or if the "modern aesthetics" that drop would just be switched to a racespecific hairstyle.

[Raikai]

I believe it's because SE wanted to bring in a race like no other but underestimated how much work was required. The Viera honestly can't be compared to other races considering they've had numerous appearances throughout the FF franchise - they have their own distinctive style and identity, which is why we were supposed to get more exclusive hairstyles in time. SE can't take back the race exclusive-hair they gave us and at this point I don't think we'll ever have hats due to our puffy hair - they should just finish what they started and go with their original plan... It's not worth them trying to make us just like the other races because Viera/Hrothgar will never be equal to the others.

I don't think having puffy hair invalidates a hat friendly version. There are many modern aesthetics or old race styles that are big, and yet they were made with some layers that are omitted for a hat or helmet.

The ears are the worst offender in that case. I have been trying to compare hat models to a Viera's head and indeed, there are some items that the strucutre would clip through the ears vertically, in a way that even if holes would be designed it wouldn't work. But again, in a best case scenario, these helms not working would actually be the exception, not the rule.

I would roughly guess that if hair would pose no issue anymore, we would be able to use 2/3 of the hats available. Hrothgar would be honestly able to use them all since their lion ears behave just like a miqo'te's.

[HeyMcFly]

I believe it's because SE wanted to bring in a race like no other but underestimated how much work was required. The Viera honestly can't be compared to other races considering they've had numerous appearances throughout the FF franchise - they have their own distinctive style and identity, which is why we were supposed to get more exclusive hairstyles in time. SE can't take back the race exclusive-hair they gave us and at this point I don't think we'll ever have hats due to our puffy hair - they should just finish what they started and go with their original plan... It's not worth them trying to make us just like the other races because Viera/Hrothgar will never be equal to the others.

You're on the money with them not being equal to the other races & I see that as a bonus-
The other races look like they need to be updated & their hairstyles are outdated, most look the same & are boring.
I don't want Viera or Hrothgar to be like that.
I'm fine with Viera not being able to wear most hats- but their hairstyles should involve headpieces like the diadem you see them with in FFXII & some art of tactics. I don't want them to make Viera like other races because I know it won't bode well visually & the other races hairstyles are flat/ boring & I don't like them- if more hairstyles are added to Viera that the other races have (to be clear, I'm not saying they shouldn't get the mog station or reward hairs) even though it will all look like a half-done job just like the hairstyles they added due to demand.

The XIV team should start making more headgear that Hrothgar & Viera CAN wear rather than adding hats that those races won't be able to wear. I'm okay with not getting another top hat or witch hat, I'd much rather get a mage hood & hat fasteners/ tiara's & diadems.
Give me the fluffiest hair, the longest Viera hair, the weirdest mane.
Viera & Hrothgar should have their own distinctive styles & the XIV team should finish what they started in a timely manner- they'll get more support & positive feedback that way.

Random thought: If I had a dollar for everytime I've heard or read that the design team should just look at what modders do & pay them to implement those hairstyles in FFXIV, I'd have alot of money.

[Chie_M]

I guess my question would then be why did SE feel the need to design the hairstyles in such a way that would make them incompatible with the majority of headgear?

Viera and Hrothgar were initially supposed to have extensive and unique customisation options to make up for no hats.

How that translates to "fantasia for hairstyles" and "9S and Karen hairs are available with Endwalker", I'll never be able to figure out.