Alliance roulette changes is needed

[Baxcel]

Trying to force people to play the way you, personally, want to play is never going to work and, in fact, kind of sucks because it's readily apparent that the majority of the playerbase doesn't want that or else they'd already be doing it.

Seriously your accusing people who are playing a roulette properly by not cheesing of forcing people to play the game their way?! When you cheese-heads are the ones forcing people to play it your way!

What kinda BS is that! Your literally breaking the game and forcing people into the sleepy tower roulette.. SE should just go ahead an ban people who are doing Ilvl cheese as they are cheating the ingame systems.

[Dewslam]

Seriously your accusing people who are playing a roulette properly by not cheesing of forcing people to play the game their way?! When you cheese-heads are the ones forcing people to play it your way!

What kinda BS is that! Your literally breaking the game and forcing people into the sleepy tower roulette.. SE should just go ahead an ban people who are doing Ilvl cheese as they are cheating the ingame systems.

Roulettes assign a random duty based on available duties and parties searching, IIRC. Many people in this thread are proposing people be forced to do a duty based on their highest possible ilevel or character level which, yes, is forcing people to play a specific way. I sure don't want to do the nier raids every day, that sounds as boring as doing crystal tower every day. Crystal tower, even assuming people aren't manipulating their gear, gets more play than the others because it's the only alliance raid that's mandatory for the story so it's the only alliance raid everyone in the game has unlocked. It's also the lowest item level so everyone from ilevel 50(90?) to whatever's current is applicable for it. Statistically speaking, you're going to get CT far, far, more than anything else. But on top of that; it's fast, it's easy, it has rewards tied to shadowbringers' relic weapon, and its time to exp ratio is far better than any other alliance roulette. If I'm doing the alliance roulette while grinding my weekly tomestones I'm glad to get CT because that means it's going to be a fast run because I'll be honest: none of the alliance raids are particularly exciting after running them a dozen times, some less so than others. The fact that the other ones are longer and comparatively less rewarding just makes it suck to get them. Like getting Castrum instead of Praetorium for the daily MSQ roulette. But I don't see people throwing a fit and demanding we force people to march through the slog of castrum.

If you want to do other alliance raids so bad, then queue for them. Trying to change the rules on how the alliance roulette works is only going to kill the alliance roulette as there's nothing to really compel people to even unlock the other alliance raids, leading to hilariously longer queue times as it stratifies people between the 50/60/70/80 tiers.

[Baxcel]

Roulettes assign a random duty based on available duties and parties searching, IIRC. Many people in this thread are proposing people be forced to do a duty based on their highest possible ilevel or character level which, yes, is forcing people to play a specific way. I sure don't want to do the nier raids every day, that sounds as boring as doing crystal tower every day.

Let's start here.. im not sure if your misunderstanding what's being said or your just being disingenuous.

When people say you have to use the highest item level it means working like a true roulette.. you have the 50/60/70/80 and eventually 90 raids as an option, not just the lv80 ones.. ALL OF THEM, where as now.. people are forcing everyone into only the lv50 by cheesing the item levels.

Crystal tower, even assuming people aren't manipulating their gear, gets more play than the others because it's the only alliance raid that's mandatory for the story so it's the only alliance raid everyone in the game has unlocked. It's also the lowest item level so everyone from ilevel 50(90?) to whatever's current is applicable for it. Statistically speaking, you're going to get CT far, far, more than anything else.

yes it is part of the main story but you know what else you can see when you load into it.. a message that says there are new players, you can also see people adjusting gear. But following what most people want, the odds of getting another raid besides the towers would go up when you don't have a new player and the wait times for those unlocking new raids will also reduce.

But on top of that; it's fast, it's easy, it has rewards tied to shadowbringers' relic weapon, and its time to exp ratio is far better than any other alliance roulette.

3 of the 4 raids all have relic ties as well, the exp should be voided for people who cheese the roulette.. if your not following it properly then you don't deserve the rewards.

If I'm doing the alliance roulette while grinding my weekly tomestones I'm glad to get CT because that means it's going to be a fast run because I'll be honest: none of the alliance raids are particularly exciting after running them a dozen times, some less so than others. The fact that the other ones are longer and comparatively less rewarding just makes it suck to get them. Like getting Castrum instead of Praetorium for the daily MSQ roulette. But I don't see people throwing a fit and demanding we force people to march through the slog of castrum.

Yeah thats because people already abandon Castrum for Prea.. and they suffer the 30min lock out for doing so, a lot of new players have been complaining about the amount of people abandoning duty, you also can't force one or the other like you can with raids.

If you want to do other alliance raids so bad, then queue for them. Trying to change the rules on how the alliance roulette works is only going to kill the alliance roulette as there's nothing to really compel people to even unlock the other alliance raids, leading to hilariously longer queue times as it stratifies people between the 50/60/70/80 tiers.

If you wanna so Crystal Tower so bad you should queue directly for it. If you want a roulette reward you should do an actual roulette to get the reward an not force it to give what just you want.

The time on the other raids would do nothing but decrease with these changes as even if you cheese heads stopped doing it the other players would get placed into those that are waiting for a direct queue instead of the tower stealing them all.

Lastly as all you cheese heads say, not many people are cheese so it wouldn't change much anyways.

[WhimsicalPacifist]

I'm quite a compassionate person and realize that some people might not have the requisite gear for higher tiered instances in Alliance Roulette. Simply synch them up to minimum iLVL for the instances that they're the right job level for in Alliance Roulette. And they can roll Need for gear within the instance that's relevant for them.

[MerlinCross]

I see my last post is what got me punished. Very well. I'll rephrase.

By using iLvl to control and manipulate what Duty people are going to get(In this case usually CT), it just encourages more cheesing methods to come up and a lazier attitude during said raid. CT allows for this because of how mind numblingly easy it is these days with only a couple points of "Oh I'm awake really" in them. People being so bored of doing them, and people that are literally just there cause it's the easy pay out; I don't think this is going to make for a healthy DF section in the long run.

I'll not be surprised if the DF for 24 man becomes just a lazier and lazier slog.

[Azuri]

I see my last post is what got me punished. Very well. I'll rephrase.

By using iLvl to control and manipulate what Duty people are going to get(In this case usually CT), it just encourages more cheesing methods to come up and a lazier attitude during said raid. CT allows for this because of how mind numblingly easy it is these days with only a couple points of "Oh I'm awake really" in them. People being so bored of doing them, and people that are literally just there cause it's the easy pay out; I don't think this is going to make for a healthy DF section in the long run.

I'll not be surprised if the DF for 24 man becomes just a lazier and lazier slog.

Always has been. When you design content with idea that a couple of good players are supposed to carry the rest of the party (Yoshida's own words) it is only a question of time when those good players get tired of being saddled with freeloaders and either stop running Alliance Raids completely or look for a way to be put into the fastest ones.

[WhimsicalPacifist]

Maybe what's needed is for people to have to learn to do mechanics. Synch higher levels down to a lower iLVL. Max level? Min iLVL for Crystal Tower.

[Dewslam]

Maybe what's needed is for people to have to learn to do mechanics. Synch higher levels down to a lower iLVL. Max level? Min iLVL for Crystal Tower.

This just punishes newer players for no real reason.

[Menriq]

Seriously your accusing people who are playing a roulette properly by not cheesing of forcing people to play the game their way?! When you cheese-heads are the ones forcing people to play it your way!

What kinda BS is that! Your literally breaking the game and forcing people into the sleepy tower roulette.. SE should just go ahead an ban people who are doing Ilvl cheese as they are cheating the ingame systems.

So, to test if this is indeed a bug, I went ahead and created a in-game bug report (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...94#post5819594). Since SE reviews these and moves them appropriately, we'll see where the ticket ends up.

[QueenVanraen]

This just punishes newer players for no real reason.

you mean the people that would go in at lower ilv, and thus, would theoretically have to respect mechanics anyway?
oh wait, even w/ just the gear their lv. 50 jobquest gives them (ilv. 90 left side) they can already ignore most mechanics.
And the few mechanics that do get messed up by new players, well, they're not ilv. related.
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