Alliance roulette changes is needed

[Baxcel]

Trying to force people to play the way you, personally, want to play is never going to work and, in fact, kind of sucks because it's readily apparent that the majority of the playerbase doesn't want that or else they'd already be doing it.

Seriously your accusing people who are playing a roulette properly by not cheesing of forcing people to play the game their way?! When you cheese-heads are the ones forcing people to play it your way!

What kinda BS is that! Your literally breaking the game and forcing people into the sleepy tower roulette.. SE should just go ahead an ban people who are doing Ilvl cheese as they are cheating the ingame systems.

[Dewslam]

Seriously your accusing people who are playing a roulette properly by not cheesing of forcing people to play the game their way?! When you cheese-heads are the ones forcing people to play it your way!

What kinda BS is that! Your literally breaking the game and forcing people into the sleepy tower roulette.. SE should just go ahead an ban people who are doing Ilvl cheese as they are cheating the ingame systems.

Roulettes assign a random duty based on available duties and parties searching, IIRC. Many people in this thread are proposing people be forced to do a duty based on their highest possible ilevel or character level which, yes, is forcing people to play a specific way. I sure don't want to do the nier raids every day, that sounds as boring as doing crystal tower every day. Crystal tower, even assuming people aren't manipulating their gear, gets more play than the others because it's the only alliance raid that's mandatory for the story so it's the only alliance raid everyone in the game has unlocked. It's also the lowest item level so everyone from ilevel 50(90?) to whatever's current is applicable for it. Statistically speaking, you're going to get CT far, far, more than anything else. But on top of that; it's fast, it's easy, it has rewards tied to shadowbringers' relic weapon, and its time to exp ratio is far better than any other alliance roulette. If I'm doing the alliance roulette while grinding my weekly tomestones I'm glad to get CT because that means it's going to be a fast run because I'll be honest: none of the alliance raids are particularly exciting after running them a dozen times, some less so than others. The fact that the other ones are longer and comparatively less rewarding just makes it suck to get them. Like getting Castrum instead of Praetorium for the daily MSQ roulette. But I don't see people throwing a fit and demanding we force people to march through the slog of castrum.

If you want to do other alliance raids so bad, then queue for them. Trying to change the rules on how the alliance roulette works is only going to kill the alliance roulette as there's nothing to really compel people to even unlock the other alliance raids, leading to hilariously longer queue times as it stratifies people between the 50/60/70/80 tiers.

[Baxcel]

Roulettes assign a random duty based on available duties and parties searching, IIRC. Many people in this thread are proposing people be forced to do a duty based on their highest possible ilevel or character level which, yes, is forcing people to play a specific way. I sure don't want to do the nier raids every day, that sounds as boring as doing crystal tower every day.

Let's start here.. im not sure if your misunderstanding what's being said or your just being disingenuous.

When people say you have to use the highest item level it means working like a true roulette.. you have the 50/60/70/80 and eventually 90 raids as an option, not just the lv80 ones.. ALL OF THEM, where as now.. people are forcing everyone into only the lv50 by cheesing the item levels.

Crystal tower, even assuming people aren't manipulating their gear, gets more play than the others because it's the only alliance raid that's mandatory for the story so it's the only alliance raid everyone in the game has unlocked. It's also the lowest item level so everyone from ilevel 50(90?) to whatever's current is applicable for it. Statistically speaking, you're going to get CT far, far, more than anything else.

yes it is part of the main story but you know what else you can see when you load into it.. a message that says there are new players, you can also see people adjusting gear. But following what most people want, the odds of getting another raid besides the towers would go up when you don't have a new player and the wait times for those unlocking new raids will also reduce.

But on top of that; it's fast, it's easy, it has rewards tied to shadowbringers' relic weapon, and its time to exp ratio is far better than any other alliance roulette.

3 of the 4 raids all have relic ties as well, the exp should be voided for people who cheese the roulette.. if your not following it properly then you don't deserve the rewards.

If I'm doing the alliance roulette while grinding my weekly tomestones I'm glad to get CT because that means it's going to be a fast run because I'll be honest: none of the alliance raids are particularly exciting after running them a dozen times, some less so than others. The fact that the other ones are longer and comparatively less rewarding just makes it suck to get them. Like getting Castrum instead of Praetorium for the daily MSQ roulette. But I don't see people throwing a fit and demanding we force people to march through the slog of castrum.

Yeah thats because people already abandon Castrum for Prea.. and they suffer the 30min lock out for doing so, a lot of new players have been complaining about the amount of people abandoning duty, you also can't force one or the other like you can with raids.

If you want to do other alliance raids so bad, then queue for them. Trying to change the rules on how the alliance roulette works is only going to kill the alliance roulette as there's nothing to really compel people to even unlock the other alliance raids, leading to hilariously longer queue times as it stratifies people between the 50/60/70/80 tiers.

If you wanna so Crystal Tower so bad you should queue directly for it. If you want a roulette reward you should do an actual roulette to get the reward an not force it to give what just you want.

The time on the other raids would do nothing but decrease with these changes as even if you cheese heads stopped doing it the other players would get placed into those that are waiting for a direct queue instead of the tower stealing them all.

Lastly as all you cheese heads say, not many people are cheese so it wouldn't change much anyways.

[kingskye]

Roulettes assign a random duty based on available duties and parties searching, IIRC. Many people in this thread are proposing people be forced to do a duty based on their highest possible ilevel or character level which, yes, is forcing people to play a specific way. I sure don't want to do the nier raids every day, that sounds as boring as doing crystal tower every day. Crystal tower, even assuming people aren't manipulating their gear, gets more play than the others because it's the only alliance raid that's mandatory for the story so it's the only alliance raid everyone in the game has unlocked. It's also the lowest item level so everyone from ilevel 50(90?) to whatever's current is applicable for it. Statistically speaking, you're going to get CT far, far, more than anything else. But on top of that; it's fast, it's easy, it has rewards tied to shadowbringers' relic weapon, and its time to exp ratio is far better than any other alliance roulette. If I'm doing the alliance roulette while grinding my weekly tomestones I'm glad to get CT because that means it's going to be a fast run because I'll be honest: none of the alliance raids are particularly exciting after running them a dozen times, some less so than others. The fact that the other ones are longer and comparatively less rewarding just makes it suck to get them. Like getting Castrum instead of Praetorium for the daily MSQ roulette. But I don't see people throwing a fit and demanding we force people to march through the slog of castrum.

If you want to do other alliance raids so bad, then queue for them. Trying to change the rules on how the alliance roulette works is only going to kill the alliance roulette as there's nothing to really compel people to even unlock the other alliance raids, leading to hilariously longer queue times as it stratifies people between the 50/60/70/80 tiers.

then what is the point of creating 24 man content if you want to run them based on your selfish desires? both sides in this are just being selfish one side wants it for the easy tomes and the other side wants just to do other dungeons and reroute how alliance raids work...honestly the latter to fix requirement for alliance is better but they should be adjusted per time spent, lol

[Dewslam]

then what is the point of creating 24 man content if you want to run them based on your selfish desires? both sides in this are just being selfish one side wants it for the easy tomes and the other side wants just to do other dungeons and reroute how alliance raids work...honestly the latter to fix requirement for alliance is better but they should be adjusted per time spent, lol

24 man content is created to either fill the gaps between raid tiers, or provide alternative venues for people who don't, or can't, do savage to progress even a little bit. It's not added to the roulette until some time after its release. You can manually queue for any of the alliance raids you want, the roulette isn't the only way to do them. The issue at hand is that some people are pinning the blame for the dramatically large chance to get CT solely on the small percentage of users who swap their gear out, rather than the far more likely scenarios of people leveling alternate classes, since CT will be the alliance roulette for you from 50-60, or simply not having bothered to unlock any of the other alliance raids since they're all optional and the game has had a huge influx of new players trying to rush the story. It sucks that people are bored of CT, but it's not going to go away from the alliance roulette any time soon. Especially not since it's mandatory for the story and so there'll always be parties in need for it.

[Sacred-Oblivion]

24 man content is created to either fill the gaps between raid tiers, or provide alternative venues for people who don't, or can't, do savage to progress even a little bit. It's not added to the roulette until some time after its release. You can manually queue for any of the alliance raids you want, the roulette isn't the only way to do them. The issue at hand is that some people are pinning the blame for the dramatically large chance to get CT solely on the small percentage of users who swap their gear out, rather than the far more likely scenarios of people leveling alternate classes, since CT will be the alliance roulette for you from 50-60, or simply not having bothered to unlock any of the other alliance raids since they're all optional and the game has had a huge influx of new players trying to rush the story. It sucks that people are bored of CT, but it's not going to go away from the alliance roulette any time soon. Especially not since it's mandatory for the story and so there'll always be parties in need for it.

Oh please share your data that proves the frequency of CT raids in the roulette is more likely a result of lvl 50-60s queuing rather than people nerfing their ilvl. I'll wait.

In the meantime, I'll share my anecdotes. Every time I get a CT raid I will call out ilvl nerfers in raid chat about it, and almost every time I get a reaction from someone who admits doing it. The last run I did someone justified their reasoning for doing it because they didn't want to do "orbonne with a bunch of wow refugees". What a pathetic excuse. These people are babies who can't handle challenging raids where things might go wrong, and so they force 23 other people with them into the easiest and most boring raid tier. If a scaling ilvl requirement on the alliance roulette causes these people to no longer queue for it, then that would be a bonus improvement to this roulette.

[Tlamila]

Oh please share your data that proves the frequency of CT raids in the roulette is more likely a result of lvl 50-60s queuing rather than people nerfing their ilvl. I'll wait.

In the meantime, I'll share my anecdotes. Every time I get a CT raid I will call out ilvl nerfers in raid chat about it, and almost every time I get a reaction from someone who admits doing it. The last run I did someone justified their reasoning for doing it because they didn't want to do "orbonne with a bunch of wow refugees". What a pathetic excuse. These people are babies who can't handle challenging raids where things might go wrong, and so they force 23 other people with them into the easiest and most boring raid tier. If a scaling ilvl requirement on the alliance roulette causes these people to no longer queue for it, then that would be a bonus improvement to this roulette.

Honestly, the situation is getting really bad. Today I got Puppet, which made me super excited, both because it's my favorite AR, and because after weeeks of only CT over and over I feel sick as soon as I see it.
But others were complaining instead. Someone said they were dressed for CT, not for Bunker (I guess undergeared but still not enough not to be put there?), someone else was complainng the whole run about how long the place is and then asked in alliance who was responsable of making us end up there/who queued for it, like a sort of witch hunt.

It's awful and it only gets worse. Like getting that crappy place over and over (with people getting more and mroe resistant to actually doing mechs in it) wasn't bad enough, now we get even people who think they're entitled to have the whole roulette equal CT or it's the end of the world.

[Menriq]

Seriously your accusing people who are playing a roulette properly by not cheesing of forcing people to play the game their way?! When you cheese-heads are the ones forcing people to play it your way!

What kinda BS is that! Your literally breaking the game and forcing people into the sleepy tower roulette.. SE should just go ahead an ban people who are doing Ilvl cheese as they are cheating the ingame systems.

So, to test if this is indeed a bug, I went ahead and created a in-game bug report (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...94#post5819594). Since SE reviews these and moves them appropriately, we'll see where the ticket ends up.

[kingskye]

Seriously your accusing people who are playing a roulette properly by not cheesing of forcing people to play the game their way?! When you cheese-heads are the ones forcing people to play it your way!

What kinda BS is that! Your literally breaking the game and forcing people into the sleepy tower roulette.. SE should just go ahead an ban people who are doing Ilvl cheese as they are cheating the ingame systems.

there is no ilvl cheese...please people stop saying there is, lol its a population issue not an ilvl issue

[Tlamila]

there is no ilvl cheese...please people stop saying there is, lol its a population issue not an ilvl issue

Suuuure! When people here and even in game have 0 trouble announcing that they stripped up to cheese the queue, they must be lying, right?

Some dude yesterday even complained in Void Ark, they were pissed that their stripping down wasn't enough and they got there instead of CT, and should have removed more pieces.