VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Rokke]

Ahhh, so the hair may be* more of the culprit! I guess my question would then be why did SE feel the need to design the hairstyles in such a way that would make them incompatible with the majority of headgear? Why was this not an issue with Au Ra? Is it more that they just didn't have/continually don't have enough dev time to make them work? Was going down the path of "your hair won't work with most hats" really the best they could offer? And poor Hroth with the fantasia requirement! Oof. Just sooo many questions.

For the Au Ra vs. the new races
Au Ra horns are in the same place as ears. Miqote ears are non customizable and baked into their hairstyles. All other og races have their ears in a standard place. You don't have to do much to resize helmet from A to B to C if the features are approx. in the same place. Viera are unique in that their ears are in a nonstandard place and are customizable. Hrothgar heads are nonstandard even just amongst their 4 heads.

If I had to guess why the devs decided to simply opt out of all hats in the concept stages, I'd say its likely due to planned corner cutting to get very different races complete in the time it would usually take to make a shared set. Au Ra m/f designs complement one another and even share assets/features. They didn't need to reinvent the wheel after finishing one and starting the next.

[SturmChurro]

For the Au Ra vs. the new races
Au Ra horns are in the same place as ears. Miqote ears are non customizable and baked into their hairstyles. All other og races have their ears in a standard place. You don't have to do much to resize helmet from A to B to C if the features are approx. in the same place. Viera are unique in that their ears are in a nonstandard place and are customizable. Hrothgar heads are nonstandard even just amongst their 4 heads.

If I had to guess why the devs decided to simply opt out of all hats in the concept stages, I'd say its likely due to planned corner cutting to get very different races complete in the time it would usually take to make a shared set. Au Ra m/f designs complement one another and even share assets/features. They didn't need to reinvent the wheel after finishing one and starting the next.

If it's mainly the ears, and this is probably an unpopular opinion, but maybe they shouldn't have been customizable then. I'd much rather have more hairs, and headgear, than deal with this as a viera. Like, it's nice that it is customizable, but not at this cost, but, then again, I do also hold the opinion that viera/hrothgar are a very low priority, so who even knows even then if they would have added things.

I don't even care about the hat thing anymore...I just want the same number of hair options as the other races. Viera and Hrothgar got seriously screwed in the customization department.

Never going to happen.

[grinkdaboy]

The answer for this, theorized by people who must have been modding the game, is that this instance of headgear works because it doesn't show any hair - at all.

And to this, is pointed that it's actually a hair problem, as in... Viera, both male and female, have no "hat friendly" versions of their exclusive hairstyles.

That's no excuse, though... They only have 9 exclusive styles each gender, so is not like it's a ton of work. Given that some hat friendly variations are made by simply omitting parts of its structure.

Bear in mind that there's also a third issue of some "tall" headgear clipping horribly with Viera ears displayed. But those would be the exceptions, I suppose.

yes, this is essentially it

how it works is there are 2 hairstyle models. what you see normally or when you wear certain hats (basically stuff that completely obscures your hair, glasses, sits ontop of your head like the bonewicca caster helmet, think stuff like that), and one for use with hats. viera lack the latter of those 2.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

It’s also interesting to note that even Viera Sharlayan Forum members can’t wear their unique hats. If you look at the cutscenes featuring the council it’s astonishingly apparent. It feels like they’re not particularly interested in ensuring new headpieces fit Viera nor Hrothgar.

[Jybril]

I'm more forgiving that past things couldn't be made (maybe a little at a time, though?) but for me now, we've
had the fembun and Roth for an entire expansion now, and you're still having issues making new hats work?
That'll probably be the straw on the camel for me and I'd change back to whatever. Imagine when Fem Roth's come.
3 Faces, 3 Hairs and maybe you can wear some of the glasses or earrings LOL.

[Lubu_Mykono]

I actually like Hrothgar the way it is. Yeah, the hats and having to pay to change hairstyles is annoying but it still looks better with gear than some other classes e.g. lalafells

[Darthgummibear]

I don't even care about the hat thing anymore...I just want the same number of hair options as the other races. Viera and Hrothgar got seriously screwed in the customization department.

[FoxyAreku]

I'm glad this thread exists. The situation is unacceptable.

[Shin96]

They should have originally just waited and not release both races in 5.0, basically now they're just adding more demand which puts their development cycle in jeopardy.

Why adding unique hairstyles for female Vieras is difficult though; I honestly don't buy into that. They've grown too complacent with this game in a lot of areas, no surprise one of the races suffers under that design philosophy.

[Raikai]

The example of a wizard hat. One silhouette that has a ton of items.



In the case of every hair working for it... The upper cone would cross through the ears vertically, would look really bad. However, they can just hide the ears there. I can't see how the Viera ears, sitting on the crown of the head, wouldn't be able to fit inside this hat, or the numerous other pointy hats.