What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Garet]

To many, her motives and actions simply don't make sense and the fact that she's a pretty woman with a nice voice does nothing for those of us who are, you know, not into women and thus don't fall easily to their charms!

This really says a lot about your character LOL. But I guess this just proves the statement I made that you replied to hahaha

BTW Emet is a guy does it mean I am into guys as well is the reason I like his character as well? )

[Theodric]

This really says a lot about your character LOL.

How so? I'm specifically referring to rhetoric along these lines:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...l-Opinion-Vent

A not insignificant number of Hydaelyn fans have made it clear that they are invested in her purely based upon being a 'benevolent mother figure', or because she has a 'soft voice' or 'pretty features'. If that doesn't apply to you, then fair enough but I'd point out that you reduced any criticism of Venat to:

Yea I think some people just do not want to accept Venat's positive portrayal and therefore are trying to justify their negative views on her.

As such, I think it would be rather disingenuous to take issue with similar broad statements shot back in turn. Besides, nobody is obligated to like or support specific characters. The writers themselves are on record suggesting as such, so I'm not really sure why some players seek to portray it as a bad thing not to agree with Venat.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This really says a lot about your character LOL. But I guess this just proves the statement I made that you replied to hahaha

BTW Emet is a guy does it mean I am into guys as well is the reason I like his character as well? )

Yeah, none of us like venat for her wit and snark. Just cuz she's a woman.


Dumb. That's pretty sexist if you ask me lol.


I guess none of us like emet for his wit and snark either.

I seem to remember him being a fan favorite last expansion, but apparently as soon as they add a female counterpart it's "everyone just likes her cuz woman"

[Garet]

Yeah, none of us like venat for her wit and snark. Just cuz she's a woman.


Dumb. That's pretty sexist if you ask me lol.


I guess none of us like emet for his wit and snark either.

I seem to remember him being a fan favorite last expansion, but apparently as soon as they add a female counterpart it's "everyone just likes her cuz woman"

Yea I like both their characters. Emet is awesome even back in ShB And when he appeared at the end of Endwalker to help us it was so awesome haha

[KizuyaKatogami]

This really says a lot about your character LOL. But I guess this just proves the statement I made that you replied to hahaha

BTW Emet is a guy does it mean I am into guys as well is the reason I like his character as well? )

How does his statement say a lot about his character. Lets not insinuate things based off of a one off comment. Lets not play oblivious. Typically females are sided with more times than not because theyre prettier and less evil looking. We even see this in game when Omega chooses to use a female form to speak with us after we defeat it. Its used for sympathy.

Yeah, none of us like venat for her wit and snark. Just cuz she's a woman.


Dumb. That's pretty sexist if you ask me lol.


I guess none of us like emet for his wit and snark either.

I seem to remember him being a fan favorite last expansion, but apparently as soon as they add a female counterpart it's "everyone just likes her cuz woman"

I wouldnt say Venat is really a female counterpart to Emet. In any way actually outside of the two being ancients. Emet was doing what he did for his people because he had hope for them. She had no jope for them whatsoever and gave up on them. Not really many similarities.

This is why she had prepared the moon ark in case we failed. She did not go into it blindly believing we would surely win. Hence she even tested us before allowing us to fight meteion to measure if we even have a fighting chance.

Venat fought with the other ancient till the end. This is one of the reason she did not reveal what happened with the mind wipe because she feared Hermes might go against them against if he regained his memory of meteion and she wanted him as part of the convocation and an ally against the final days instead of an enemy. The vidoe posted here by me and another poster basically show a lot of her reasoning.

Except the moon ark wouldve amounted to nothing. The shards wouldve all died. Everyone dead. Only the people on the source would live and even then, Meteion would get them eventually. She didnt...have to tell Hermes. She could simply tell Emet and Hythlo. If it got to that point where Hermes was such a hindrance to what they were doing...its a good thing Pandemonium exists isnt it?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

How does his statement say a lot about his character. Lets not insinuate things based off of a one off comment. Lets not play oblivious. Typically females are sided with more times than not because theyre prettier and less evil looking. We even see this in game when Omega chooses to use a female form to speak with us after we defeat it. Its used for sympathy.



I wouldnt say Venat is really a female counterpart to Emet. In any way actually outside of the two being ancients. Emet was doing what he did for his people because he had hope for them. She had no jope for them whatsoever and gave up on them. Not really many similarities.



Except the moon ark wouldve amounted to nothing. The shards wouldve all died. Everyone dead. Only the people on the source would live and even then, Meteion would get them eventually. She didnt...have to tell Hermes. She could simply tell Emet and Hythlo. If it got to that point where Hermes was such a hindrance to what they were doing...its a good thing Pandemonium exists isnt it?

I mean, she also did it for her people. She just had a different method.


Agree to disagree there.

[Garet]

I mean, she also did it for her people. She just had a different method.


Agree to disagree there.

Yep the sundered are basically still technically the ancients but sundered in their forms. A kind of reincarnation I guess.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I mean, she also did it for her people. She just had a different method.


Agree to disagree there.

How exactly did she do it for her people? She went behind their backs, kept secrets from them and then ripped their lives from them, tearing them apart and them losing their entire memories of who they once were. If that was her "doing it for her own people," then shes just a sadist.

Middy doesn't wake up until after the Tower is sent back. The Biggs in the story muses that removing it may have been why he woke up. And Middy does ask about it. It's when they don't disappear and then he wakes up and says he will help them and give them knowledge that they start considering they may be able to make something more of their current reality. Cid survived and started the idea. There's nothing spelling this out, but it's possible something just broke in him when he lost all of us. So maybe he could have found a way and his heart wasn't in it anymore. But that doesn't mean everyone 200 years after him had to agree to the plan and not see other ways. That's why it reads to me that there really wasn't a future to look forward to. Just like with the Ancients before they summoned Zodiark.And I don't see many arguing that the Ancients were wrong for the initial summoning of Zodiark and replenishing the planet. Both groups were in a bad situation and tried to take a path to change that.

Sadly, there are people in this very thread bashing the Ancients for resorting to sacrifice and summoning Zodiark to end the Final Days. Doesnt make much sense but its there. As for Ironworks, In the end, we dont know what would have happened exactly had they waited. But yes, to them there was no future and they were willing to sacrifice billions of people if it meant bringing back their loved ones. Its not any different from the ancient's sacrifices.Also, i dont believe they exactly got the entire world's consent on the action either. Did many people agree to it? Sure. But i dont recall it saying everyone agreed, just the group that they had at the time.In fact, isnt it stated they faced heavy opposition for the plan from various people?

[TaleraRistain]

But yes, to them there was no future and they were willing to sacrifice billions of people if it meant bringing back their loved ones. Its not any different from the ancient's sacrifices.Also, i dont believe they exactly got the entire world's consent on the action either. Did many people agree to it? Sure. But i dont recall it saying everyone agreed, just the group that they had at the time.In fact, isnt it stated they faced heavy opposition for the plan from various people?

After the First got rejoined, Black Rose covered almost all of Aldenard and Ilsabard. They don't come out in MSQ or any stories and give numbers, but I don't think there were billions of people left.

Ah, the previous poster provided the story I needed

"Black Rose wrought immeasurable destruction to organic life-forms, resulting in widespread environmental upheaval. The ambient aether ceased to flow along its normal channels and stagnated, rendering the land barren and uninhabitable. Inevitably, the wild imbalance of natural energies affected neighboring regions and, in some cases, led to sudden and unpredictable alterations in flora and fauna. Overnight, the crops on which man relied for sustenance became toxic, further increasing the death toll. In the aftermath of these unprecedented disasters, the communities formed by sentient beings fell into disarray, and all forms of societal organization, from small settlements to entire nations, were abandoned as individuals struggled desperately to avoid annihilation.

It did not take long for the cascading environmental repercussions to be felt in Garlean territory. Due to the aftereffects of Black Rose, the ceruleum that once supported daily life in the Empire and powered its magitek armies failed to combust. The machines duly fell silent, bereft of the energy required to set them in motion.

The creatures that escaped the initial devastation were thrust into a battle for survival. Among them, those belonging to supposedly civilized races were particularly quick to turn on their brethren in a bid to seize control of land and resources. While they attempted to justify these wanton acts of violence with a range of superficially logical explanations, it is my assessment that greed and desperation were the primary motivating factors behind their actions."