The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[linayar]

Well there's no rule against typing words in chat, but it's how you use those words that determines if it breaks tos or not.

If you're abusing systems in the game to your advantage while making the experience worse for everyone else, I imagine the GMs would have a problem with it.

I mean I would hope, lol

Well, that's debatable, because some people do enjoy how fast CT runs can go (even if there are still wipes from time to time).

And I don't think the idea of running a low-level duty or an easy duty as being a worse experience would hold up in a game that incentivizes you to run those kinds of duties.

[Kolaina]

Well there's no rule against typing words in chat, but it's how you use those words that determines if it breaks tos or not.

If you're abusing systems in the game to your advantage while making the experience worse for everyone else, I imagine the GMs would have a problem with it.

I mean I would hope, lol

You’d have to prove your experience is ruined. Getting CT is not a ruined experience. MPK, forced wipes and not healing with the intention of killing you would be ruining your experience. Manipulating a queue…. No

[kaynide]

So we can report the people admitting they're contributing to the problem right?

You are welcome to report, but people aren’t breaking any rules by cheesing the queue.

Nor is deliberately not unlocking the other raids.

Should the devs eventually decide to fix this, I wouldn’t do alliance raids at all- I assume I’m not alone in that..which would only mean even less people doing them and even longer lines for everyone.

If you queued for roulette, you shouldn’t care which you get because you are there to facilitate others who do care which one they get. If you specifically want a different raid, queue for that one specifically. The roulette isn’t some random thing to prevent your boredom, it’s to fill what others specifically queue for.

In the unlikely chance everyone in your pool happens to:
…be higher level…
…with higher iLvl..
…not want anything specific…
…have other raids unlocked…
only then will you have a chance at a random higher raid.

[RyuDragnier]

Should the devs eventually decide to fix this, I wouldn’t do alliance raids at all- I assume I’m not alone in that..which would only mean even less people doing them and even longer lines for everyone.

You say you wouldn't do the Alliance Raid roulette if they fixed this, but then in the same post you say...

If you queued for roulette, you shouldn’t care which you get because you are there to facilitate others who do care which one they get. If you specifically want a different raid, queue for that one specifically. The roulette isn’t some random thing to prevent your boredom, it’s to fill what others specifically queue for.

So which is it? Are you queuing only for CT via ilvl cheese, or are you actually allowing yourself to be at the whims of RNG?

[kaynide]

You say you wouldn't do the Alliance Raid roulette if they fixed this, but then in the same post you say...


So which is it? Are you queuing only for CT via ilvl cheese, or are you actually allowing yourself to be at the whims of RNG?

You’re not wrong, but the difference is we all have the option to choose to “level down” which raids we might get by how the system is built. In addition, the CT raids are the lowest denominator for the raids..as in the least amount of requirements to get it, so obviously they would pop more anyway. In my above quote, I’m the guy specifically trying to get CT with his extremely nervous/challenged wife because she can’t handle the higher level raids.

If they were to fix the system (which I am not against), I simply wouldn’t have that option. But I do, same as power leveling Bluemage.

If I could get Titan and Sastasha every time on those roulettes I would, but they are built so we can’t do that. The alliance raids are specifically built to allow this.

Again, if the rules changed I wouldn’t whine over it, I would just find the new fastest route to xp for my tastes.

[Zfz]

I don't have any good solutions but I just want to say that I'm also getting fed up with the first two tiers of Crystal Tower. One of the main reasons I don't really care for a certain character: that character reminds me of the dull and boring LotA and Syrcus Tower. I also still love WoD, though.

Also, I do think this is a problem that potentially could apply to all the roulettes. So any solution probably would require a fundamental change to how the roulettes work.

Honestly I'd be fine if the rewards are just scaled to the content. So 10 Astronomies for CT raids, 20 for Mhach, 40 for Ivalice, 50 for YoRHa. The only reason people try the gear cheese to get CT raids is because it's fast and easy. It makes sense for the other raids to give more rewards anyways.

[elioaiko]

There's no good solution because if you force an ilvl sync for queuing, then new players would have longer queue times and that's unfair for people who want to get through the story.

And people do like how fast CT can go. Imagine queuing for Alliance Raid and getting a Nier raid or Monastery on the daily? You might think you want those more but you'll realize that they're hard and there will certainly be wipes if people are new.

Alliance roulette was created for new players have shorter queue times and incentivizes veterans to do it for the rewards. If they changed it then there'll just be more complaining.

It's unfortunate that people choose to take off their gear to force it rather than let it be random but it is what it is. There's no real solution. Making it so taking off gear doesn't matter has the potential to cause people with insufficient gear to grief because their gear doesn't allow them to do the content.

[kaynide]

There's no good solution…

It's unfortunate that people choose to take off their gear to force it rather than let it be random but it is what it is. There's no real solution. Making it so taking off gear doesn't matter has the potential to cause people with insufficient gear to grief because their gear doesn't allow them to do the content.

I mean, it’s two fold:

Imagine I have a character using level 69 gear and just just turned level 70. I go for the alliance raid and get the 3rd Ivalis (required 365 to enter; drops 390). I would be rocking something like the Molybdenum 68-69ish set (iLvl 285). Imagine if half the raid was like that…

I’ve said it a few times and really the answer is simple: reduce the ilvl sync in the 2.0 series so that you have to do the mechanics properly. At its hardest, it wasn’t any harder than the 3.0 series is now.

If none of the raids were faceroll easy and all of similar level challenge, people wouldn’t care which one they get.

[Packetdancer]

Imagine I have a character using level 69 gear and just just turned level 70. I go for the alliance raid and get the 3rd Ivalis (required 365 to enter; drops 390). I would be rocking something like the Molybdenum 68-69ish set (iLvl 285). Imagine if half the raid was like that…

While I honestly would love to see the Crystal Tower raids have actual mechanics again, this problem is fairly easily solved: in order to queue into Alliance Roulette you need to have gear of at least the ilevel necessary for the highest (level-wise) raid you could get of those you have unlocked and have cleared.

Only have Crystal Tower unlocked? Cool, you only need to be in gear sufficient to run World of Darkness in order to queue in.

Have all of them unlocked, but you're on a job that's level 58? Cool, still only need to be in gear sufficient to run World of Darkness in order to queue in. Have the Ivalice raids unlocked, but not the Mhachi ones? Well, if you're under level 70, that means you still only need to be in gear sufficient to run World of Darkness in order to queue in. Hit level 70, though, and you need to be in gear sufficient for Orbonne to queue in. Finished Rabanastre but haven't yet done Ridorana in the Ivalice series, and don't have YoRHa unlocked? Then if you're level 70+, you only need to be in gear sufficient for Rabanastre to queue into Alliance Roulette.

By definition, if you have cleared a raid, you have at least one job sufficiently geared to queue into that raid directly... thus you have at least one thing you can run alliance roulette on.

In your example, when you're level 69, you could queue into alliance roulette and you'd only need to be in gear sufficient for Dun Scaith (if you have those unlocked, anyway). Hit level 70 and -- assuming you'd already run the Ivalice raids before -- you now have to gear that job in actual level 70 gear if you want to continue to take it into alliance roulette. Yeah, that's a little annoying, but it would presumably solve the situation where people trying to queue into the Mhach or Ivalice raids can sometimes have to wait up to an hour for the queue to pop.

Because whether people ilevel cheesing is the cause or not, the insane wait time for later alliance raids means the roulette as it stands is presumably not working as intended.

[OM3GA-Z3RO]

They should split the Alliance raids
Add another Alliance Roulette call it Expert Alliance Roulette and add the 2 latest Alliance Raids in it which currently is Ivalice and Nier,
The original Alliance Raid Roulette will have CT and Voidsent raids

When Endwalkers Alliance raid drops then the Expert Alliance Raid Roulette will have Nier and the Endwalker AR
The original will then have CT, Voidsent and Ivalice raids

Expert Alliance Roulette should obviously give a much bigger Daily bonus and Planiclusters
Normal Alliance Roulette should still give the same amount but minus the Planiclusters

Dungeons have their separate Expert Roulette, why can't Alliance raids have it too, since it is being heavily abused with ilvl cheesers.