Dark Knight Megathread

[RyuDragnier]

The problem of DA eating all of our oGCD slots would still remain, if not be become worse than 4.0. In 4.0, DA was mostly used to enhance GCD attacks, yes, but having to use an oGCD to enhance a critical, MP consuming oGCD (TBN for example) would be brutal when you are forced to cram it into frantic opener/dual-TB scenarios. Plus, using DA to make a GCD activate an oGCD (Salted) or using DA to consume a personal defensive to activate an aoe defensive is all forms of jank.

Then make it a 1.5s GCD like Eukrasia. DRK needs an identity right now, and if the devs are so willing to use a variation of DA for healers, then I see no issue with making DA DRK's job identity again, since you're using your dark magic to alter your own abilities and skills.

[Undeadfire]

MNK did not stand a chance between NIN and DRG ,DRK at the time was just the final nail in the coffin for MNK.

Then why is Monk higher DPS than Nin/Drg? Some fights it's at the top league over all other DPS in every raid tier.

Drg has Litany, Nin was the must need melee for tanks optimising, Monk was loads more stronger than those two, I can literally Print Screen the resulting numbers. It had a complete chance to contest DPS, just Drg had Litany and Drk did it's job, precisely how I stated. I've been doing Savage raids in those tiers when they were relevant.

Edit: Forgot to add Drg added Piercing debuff, and Ranged DPS was on par with Monk or lower/higher, was a Ranged DPS Savage raid content. Monk absolutely stood a chance, only it didn't bring the utility groups needed, and I say again Drk doing it's job.

[Weetzlo]

The problem of DA eating all of our oGCD slots would still remain, if not be become worse than 4.0. In 4.0, DA was mostly used to enhance GCD attacks, yes, but having to use an oGCD to enhance a critical, MP consuming oGCD (TBN for example) would be brutal when you are forced to cram it into frantic opener/dual-TB scenarios. Plus, using DA to make a GCD activate an oGCD (Salted) or using DA to consume a personal defensive to activate an aoe defensive is all forms of jank.

Our current opener has 7 out of 8 GCDs double weaving without any defensives. Also having one button to press after every hit sounds a lot like Continuation to me. I'm not exactly arguin FOR these things but like you can't say it's problem that the devs fixed or seem to want to address. If I can have the same problem, but at least with Dark Arts flavor, I'll take it

[Garlan]

Our current opener has 7 out of 8 GCDs double weaving without any defensives. Also having one button to press after every hit sounds a lot like Continuation to me. I'm not exactly arguin FOR these things but like you can't say it's problem that the devs fixed or seem to want to address. If I can have the same problem, but at least with Dark Arts flavor, I'll take it

I get what you meant in your reply, but my skepticism was more regarding the whole "having to use DA to upgrade Oblation into TBN" along with Unleash needing DA to transform into Salted. Those concepts seem a bit clunky to me.

[Weetzlo]

I get what you meant in your reply, but my skepticism was more regarding the whole "having to use DA to upgrade Oblation into TBN" along with Unleash needing DA to transform into Salted. Those concepts seem a bit clunky to me.

I'll agree with that. DA should actually change abilities, not upgrade them. C+S does big damage OR gives MP, not both type deal. They just need to adjust numbers to make it a real choice because the MP given back in the day was never even kinda worth the loss of your big boi attack. Eukrasia has the right idea.

[Mekhana]

Its a good idea on paper however it will quickly devolve into the parsing meta. There will be no longer a thoughtful of meaningful change behind the ability. It will just fall into use what does the most or provides the most damage . Ultimately, you'd still be pressing two buttons or raising your APM/workload for something that should only need one button to begin with.

Looking back, making SB Dark Arts go away was their best design decision so far. I should cut them some slack.

[Weetzlo]

Its a good idea on paper however it will quickly devolve into the parsing meta. There will be no longer a thoughtful of meaningful change behind the ability. It will just fall into use what does the most or provides the most damage . Ultimately, you'd still be pressing two buttons or raising your APM/workload for something that should only need one button to begin with.

Looking back, making SB Dark Arts go away was their best design decision so far. I should cut them some slack.

I hate that argument, as valid as it is. "Hey, defensive stance is basically useless on tanks, should we adjust enmity so they have a reason to use it?" "Nah, we'll just cut that out." Ideally, it would work out that you'd want to DA every other use of the ability so both versions are actually part of your kit/rotation, but again historically they don't have a great record with that type of stuff.

[Duskane]

Then why is Monk higher DPS than Nin/Drg? Some fights it's at the top league over all other DPS in every raid tier.

Drg has Litany, Nin was the must need melee for tanks optimising, Monk was loads more stronger than those two, I can literally Print Screen the resulting numbers. It had a complete chance to contest DPS, just Drg had Litany and Drk did it's job, precisely how I stated. I've been doing Savage raids in those tiers when they were relevant.

Edit: Forgot to add Drg added Piercing debuff, and Ranged DPS was on par with Monk or lower/higher, was a Ranged DPS Savage raid content. Monk absolutely stood a chance, only it didn't bring the utility groups needed, and I say again Drk doing it's job.

don't forget trick attack and Goad for ninja

[Lyth]

????

Wait. What? You're seriously trying to argue that Heavensward WAR was useless and Heavensward DRK in comparison was OP??

Path: 10% damage reduction (physical and magical), 100% uptime (double that of Reprisal), WAR only, stacks with Reprisal
Delirium: 10% INT reduction (affects magic only, works out to be less than 10% magic damage down), 100% uptime, non-unique

WAR did so much damage that in some cases, it was actually worth it to go double WAR despite the limit break penalty.

Why would you ever deliberately use pre-buff (i.e. Stormblood's patch 4.3) DAPS in a group with WAR, especially when your WAR is better suited to pull on pretty much every fight?

Also, what 'first week' strategies?
Gordias WF completion time: 34 days.
Midas WF completion time: 17 days.

[Archwizard]

Just some spitballing, don't mind me.

Blood Weapon (Trait): Recover HP equal to 50% of damage dealt each time you inflict magical damage.
(Original effects folded into Delirium.)

Darkside (1 min CD?): Increase damage dealt and healing received by 20%. Can only be activated while at 50% health or below.
Duration: 20 sec?
(While Darkside is active, certain combo attacks may also change to deal partial Unaspected damage, and the button changes to Shadowbringer while active at level 90.)

Penance (1 min CD?): Grants Penance to self, absorbing and negating most incoming healing effects up to 100% of your maximum HP, while changing the action to Absolution.
Duration: 30 sec?
When HP falls below 25% or upon effect duration expiration, Absolution automatically activates.
Absolution: Consumes the Penance effect to nullify damage totaling up to the amount of healing it absorbed.
Duration: 15 sec

Dread Spikes (25 sec CD): Reduces damage taken by 10% and delivers an unaspected attack with a potency of 30 every time you receive damage from an enemy.
Duration: 7 sec
Additional effect: Restore partial MP when damage is taken
Shares a recast timer with The Blackest Night.
Upgrades at 82 to:
Blood Spikes (25 sec CD): Reduces damage taken by 10% and delivers an unaspected attack with a potency of 50 every time you receive damage from an enemy.
Duration: 8 sec
Additional effect: Blood Weapon's effects are doubled
Additional effect: Restore partial MP when damage is taken
Additional effect: Grants Shadowskin, reducing damage by an additional 10%
Duration: 4 sec
Shares a recast timer with The Blackest Night.

The Blackest Night (25 sec CD, no MP cost): Creates a barrier around target party member that absorbs damage totaling 25% of your maximum HP.
Duration: 7s
Grants Dark Arts when barrier is completely absorbed.
(82 trait) Additional effect: Grants Oblation, increasing healing received by 10%.
Duration: 8 sec
Additional effect: Grants Shadowskin, reducing damage by an additional 10%.
Duration: 4 sec
Shares a recast timer with (Dread/Blood) Spikes.

Living Dead (5 min CD): Renders you impervious to most attacks, but drains health equal to 10% of your remaining HP every second.
Duration: 10 sec