Dark Knight Megathread

[Garlan]

The problem with DA in SB was that they removed a lot of its interaction with defensive cooldowns, so it just became an "ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!" button instead of something you had to think about. Imagine if DA returned as an oGCD, and was used to change moves into other ones. Unmend to Abyssal Drain, Unleash to Salted Earth, Dark Mind to Dark Messenger, Oblation (if they change it so it's at a much earlier level) to TBN, etc, without adjusting the damage to our main damage skills, it'd be much better received since it'd be used for multiple defensive and offensive abilities.

The problem of DA eating all of our oGCD slots would still remain, if not be become worse than 4.0. In 4.0, DA was mostly used to enhance GCD attacks, yes, but having to use an oGCD to enhance a critical, MP consuming oGCD (TBN for example) would be brutal when you are forced to cram it into frantic opener/dual-TB scenarios. Plus, using DA to make a GCD activate an oGCD (Salted) or using DA to consume a personal defensive to activate an aoe defensive is all forms of jank.

[RyuDragnier]

The problem of DA eating all of our oGCD slots would still remain, if not be become worse than 4.0. In 4.0, DA was mostly used to enhance GCD attacks, yes, but having to use an oGCD to enhance a critical, MP consuming oGCD (TBN for example) would be brutal when you are forced to cram it into frantic opener/dual-TB scenarios. Plus, using DA to make a GCD activate an oGCD (Salted) or using DA to consume a personal defensive to activate an aoe defensive is all forms of jank.

Then make it a 1.5s GCD like Eukrasia. DRK needs an identity right now, and if the devs are so willing to use a variation of DA for healers, then I see no issue with making DA DRK's job identity again, since you're using your dark magic to alter your own abilities and skills.

[Weetzlo]

The problem of DA eating all of our oGCD slots would still remain, if not be become worse than 4.0. In 4.0, DA was mostly used to enhance GCD attacks, yes, but having to use an oGCD to enhance a critical, MP consuming oGCD (TBN for example) would be brutal when you are forced to cram it into frantic opener/dual-TB scenarios. Plus, using DA to make a GCD activate an oGCD (Salted) or using DA to consume a personal defensive to activate an aoe defensive is all forms of jank.

Our current opener has 7 out of 8 GCDs double weaving without any defensives. Also having one button to press after every hit sounds a lot like Continuation to me. I'm not exactly arguin FOR these things but like you can't say it's problem that the devs fixed or seem to want to address. If I can have the same problem, but at least with Dark Arts flavor, I'll take it

[Garlan]

Our current opener has 7 out of 8 GCDs double weaving without any defensives. Also having one button to press after every hit sounds a lot like Continuation to me. I'm not exactly arguin FOR these things but like you can't say it's problem that the devs fixed or seem to want to address. If I can have the same problem, but at least with Dark Arts flavor, I'll take it

I get what you meant in your reply, but my skepticism was more regarding the whole "having to use DA to upgrade Oblation into TBN" along with Unleash needing DA to transform into Salted. Those concepts seem a bit clunky to me.

[Weetzlo]

I get what you meant in your reply, but my skepticism was more regarding the whole "having to use DA to upgrade Oblation into TBN" along with Unleash needing DA to transform into Salted. Those concepts seem a bit clunky to me.

I'll agree with that. DA should actually change abilities, not upgrade them. C+S does big damage OR gives MP, not both type deal. They just need to adjust numbers to make it a real choice because the MP given back in the day was never even kinda worth the loss of your big boi attack. Eukrasia has the right idea.