Roleplay Party Finder Account Suspensions

[Ranaku]

While I understand SE has to take action against reports because global laws, I don't understand the backlash about 18+ as a tag for player events. It doesn't mean that you need to be ERPing and sexting.

Sometimes it can mean you are engaging in themes that are smoking, drinking, etc. Or you just don't want to interact with minors. I, as a mid-20s person have 18+ only in my search info *because* I have no interest in roleplaying with children. I don't even ERP in the game that often, I just don't want to have extended interactions with minors that can either be taken out of context or just be reported due to the fact that I'm a mid-20s adult and they're still legally a child. That isn't a position that any self-respecting non-predatory adult would want.

People have things listed as 18+ because they don't want to interact with kids at certain events, venues or spaces. Just because teenagers are allowed to play the game doesn't mean they are allowed to interact with every player and in every event. Heavens forbid adults actually want to surround themselves with other people of their relative maturity as opposed to lurking in a group of teenagers. It makes no sense that players are getting banned due to things that are not expressly stated in the TOS and it shouldn't be a bannable offense to limit your venue or player events to people that are actually adults.

18+ leads to ERP (lets not talk around this it's what many venues are about basically) leads to a report in country X where this is illegal leads to backlash from the local government against the company.

Same with all the people who do ERP out there and doesn't care if a minor sits on the other end which is the norm in ERP sadly. In many countries and before their law it doesn't matter that they looked like a adult hot dragon futa. (Just a example not my personal preferences!!! ^.<)

So basically it invites potential trouble which leads to potential loss of moneyzzz for SE. And corporations hate that for obvious reasons, getting banned in a whole country hurts more than banning some players.

Edit: Just to add a warning here, putting 18+ into your bio is neither a valid protection against getting pregnant nor against a minor disguising themselves as well adults. And in many countries you would still be at fault for that. I believe even in the US some states would get you into jail for that if you are unlucky. If you ERP that is, not the 18+. xD

[TosumeTosu]

Except even if ERP was completely banned by the TOS, it should be reasonable and responsible that an adult does not want to roleplay, even non-sexually, with someone who is significantly younger than them.

While I can understand SE's actions, I don't understand the logic behind adult players seemingly wanting 18+ tags removed and for adults to not have a desire to interact with someone who is not considered a legal adult. Even with ERP out of the question, it is just strictly SFW or things that do not involve sex stuff. How many adults actually want to have interactions with or roleplay with teenagers in a video game? Is that often not a recipe for disaster when adults seek out interactions with those who are not adults?

Even if the game is allowed to be played by teens, adults within the game are still allowed to mention that they don't want to roleplay or have players under the age of 18 at their player events, venues, FCs, etc. It is called a boundary and for as much as people discuss ERPers not respecting boundaries, there are a lot of non-roleplay/erps that seem to disagree with having a boundary as simple as "Be an adult to be here/interact" because for some reason it immediately means that someone wants ERP as opposed to someone just not being comfortable interacting with someone who may ten years younger than them.

[Shibi]

While I understand SE has to take action against reports because global laws, I don't understand the backlash about 18+ as a tag for player events. It doesn't mean that you need to be ERPing and sexting.

There will be a subset of players who are full on "sickness must be purged". There is no helping them. They see 18+ as a red flag to a bull. So they clutch their pearls and report, maybe with made up facts, and the GM is required to pull all the chat logs of the person who placed the ad to verify the report.

If this was just drinking RP, or someone wanting a college level of writing skill, then nothing is done and nobody knows. But if the logs over who knows how many last days or weeks had a single trace of sex-games in them, then the person is sanctioned.

[HollowedDoll]

Advertising erp services in your ccard with plenty of modded screenshots to boot, just be glad this is as far as things got lmao.

[Nethereal]

This is just the price everyone pays to have such a "nice" community.

[Ranaku]

Except even if ERP was completely banned by the TOS, it should be reasonable and responsible that an adult does not want to roleplay, even non-sexually, with someone who is significantly younger than them.

While I can understand SE's actions, I don't understand the logic behind adult players seemingly wanting 18+ tags removed and for adults to not have a desire to interact with someone who is not considered a legal adult. Even with ERP out of the question, it is just strictly SFW or things that do not involve sex stuff. How many adults actually want to have interactions with or roleplay with teenagers in a video game? Is that often not a recipe for disaster when adults seek out interactions with those who are not adults?

Even if the game is allowed to be played by teens, adults within the game are still allowed to mention that they don't want to roleplay or have players under the age of 18 at their player events, venues, FCs, etc. It is called a boundary and for as much as people discuss ERPers not respecting boundaries, there are a lot of non-roleplay/erps that seem to disagree with having a boundary as simple as "Be an adult to be here/interact" because for some reason it immediately means that someone wants ERP as opposed to someone just not being comfortable interacting with someone who may ten years younger than them.

Thing is that it really doesn't matter if you put a sign up that says "I really don't like to tumble between the sheets with kids" and then you tumble between the sheets with a minor. (Which happens daily in the game and really often obviously.) 18+ is a empty statement to feel good about yourself in this moment. Something to push potential responsibility away. Just doesn't work that way in many countries.

It's like putting a no entry sign up and then leaving the door open while letting others enter anyways. But hey at least you said they can't enter! Or like being blind and saying "I only date people with green eyes." and then not caring at all if people lie about their eyecolor.

So what is the reason behind having these standards when you don't care at all about keeping them intact? I mean i would really love to believe it's all like you say but i know players betray their standards for convenience everyday. I mean can't do a background check on every random stranger you wanna erp with, right? 18+ statement must be enough. And if they weren't 18+ hey at least it wasn't your fault. Peoples fake standards are just compromised beyond repair at this point.

[TosumeTosu]

Thing is that it really doesn't matter if you put a sign up that says "I really don't like to tumble between the sheets with kids" and then you tumble between the sheets with a minor. (Which happens daily in the game and really often obviously.) 18+ is a empty statement to feel good about yourself in this moment. Something to push potential responsibility away. Just doesn't work that way in many countries.

It's like putting a no entry sign up and then leaving the door open while letting others enter anyways. But hey at least you said they can't enter! Or like being blind and saying "I only date people with green eyes." and then not caring at all if people lie about their eyecolor.

So what is the reason behind having these standards when you don't care at all about keeping them intact? I mean i would really love to believe it's all like you say but i know players betray their standards for convenience everyday. I mean can't do a background check on every random stranger you wanna erp with, right? 18+ statement must be enough. And if they weren't 18+ hey at least it wasn't your fault. People's fake standards are just compromised beyond repair at this point.

Even though you can say 18+ is an empty statement, it is still a reasonable boundary that should be respected. You even ignored the fact that I said "even with ERP completely removed and it is completely SFW". Many venues that are 18+ actually end up blacklisting players and blocking them if it is found that they were either lying about their age or are underage. If you actively lie, the fault isn't with the person who very clearly stated a boundary that the liar crossed intentionally. A lot of players I know personally will block underage roleplayers or people who disrespect the "No one under 18" boundary. Just because the people around you don't care doesn't mean that literally, no one does.

Like I said, even if it is perfectly SFW RP that doesn't involve tumbling between the sheets, a majority of adults do not want to write with people who are 10+ years younger than them. Even if it is a completely sfw adventure RP no darker than anything you'd see in the game, I wouldn't want to write that with someone who is nearly 10 years my junior. It isn't a "compromised standard" it is a reasonable boundary.

You'd think that "Even if sex isn't involved, many adults do not want to write with teenagers who may be a decade younger than them." would be a reasonably agreeable statement regardless of whether or not ERP is involved but I suppose not and somehow people manage to take issue with adults wanting to maintain a boundary as opposed to openly or actively seeking out teenagers to RP with.

[Ranaku]

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So first, YES THE FAULT IS IN MANY CASES BY THE ADULT PERSON EVEN IF THEY PUT 18+ IN THERE. Just fight yourself through the laws of some countries. xD It's worth it i promise.

Second, you have something called personal responsibility that goes as far as you can yourself go. You can for example ask for some sort of age identification, voice or all that. That is more than people do so they don't completely exhaust their possible options cause it is inconvenient so that makes the person that got tricked also be at fault.

Third, i completely agree with you that a statement is 100% alright even 18+. I mean that could be in a FC ad cause they want an adult environment in their company. The problem with this is not the statement itself, it's that people don't care if their morals and standards get compromised. And this is, as it is at the moment, the standard of the roleplay community.

And this leads to my last point, NO STATEMENT IS BETTER THAN A HOLLOW ONE. Cause a statement without the standard being enforced by yourself leads to unchecked attraction. It's easily explained. Sure you can say 18+ but if you leave it at that and the standard doesn't get enforced a minor will see that for example partyfinder advertisement and this leads to the attraction part, 18+ and forbidden stuff attracts it. Minors fake personal IDs to get into nightclubs. Nightclubs check IDs and sort out often fake ones. If the club would be totally lame (so no 18+ no alcohol etc.) it would lead to less attraction obviously. (From both minors and adults that is.) And this would be good if the club doesn't check IDs cause hey if they don't enforce their stuff at least it is better if they don't attract as much minors.

But that would be a loss for the club cause less customers and the customer itself obviously cause you might never notice that the club exists. That's the reason why clubs check peoples age as best as they are able to.

So if you don't care about enforcing your 18+ rule in the first place it is better to not write it down somewhere cause we all, especially minors, know what 18+ often means. Idk from which universe you come but it must be really fun to have a society where saying "I don't wanna do XYZ" and then doing said thing anyways is normal and cool.

[TosumeTosu]

So first, YES THE FAULT IS IN MANY CASES BY THE ADULT PERSON EVEN IF THEY PUT 18+ IN THERE. Just fight yourself through the laws of some countries. xD It's worth it i promise.

So if you don't care about enforcing your 18+ rule in the first place it is better to not write it down somewhere cause we all, especially minors, know what 18+ often means.

1. Do you not know how creepy it is to ask people you just met in-game to send you their ID for an age check or to hop on a voice call with them? Or the fact that some people like a measure of privacy and don't give their discords out. Asking people to share personal or identifiable information about themselves for the purpose of "verification" sounds like a good way for predators or predatory people to have targets. Have you ever considered some people are women and don't wanna get stalked by some obsessively weird dude or get on voice chat with someone they barely know in-game?

2. If an adult either ignores the fact that someone is a minor then yes, they are at fault. However, if someone actively lies about their age whether it is for an RP venue or to get into an FC, that person blatantly disrespected boundaries that were laid out plainly and clearly.

3. Most players are not immortal who just want to go around sexting or corrupting teenage players. Hence why a lot of venues are 18+ and blacklist/block people they find out to be underage. A majority of people already enforce it in a way that is reasonable for what the game allows because pretty creepy for strangers to want to hear your voice to try to verify whether you are an adult or not or request that you send them your ID.

Lastly, it isn't hollow for adults to say that they don't want to be in the company of minors. A majority of players already enforce it by using the in-game measures of blocking/blacklisting people if they lie about their age. If you'd rather adults just hang around teenagers in-game and not even bother to say they want the company of other adults, I mean by all means.

I just personally find it is creepy that some players would rather adults hang out and RP with teenagers who may be upwards of a decade or more younger than them and not have spaces where adults don't have to be in the company of children because apparently adults wanting to hang out with other adults is somehow problematic because children who lie about their age don't listen and/or respect boundaries?

In short, a majority of people already enforce their standard of 18+. If an adult roleplayer doesn't enforce it reasonably by blocking/blacklisting underage players who try to interact with them in a venue, FC, etc. context then it probably is a sign that person is predatory as opposed to thinking it is predatory that adults don't want to be around minors to start with. Even players who do not do erp and stick to sfw stuff enforce or state that they only want to write with other adults because they realize that as a post-college life adult it is pretty creepy to be interacting with someone who could be ten years their junior in a roleplay. It is a power dynamic that a majority of adults on the internet try to avoid engaging in... one of which is by requesting that RP/writing partners are actually adults and not teenagers.

Saying you don't want to be around teenagers/minors should not be a bannable or punishable offense just because people tend to link it with ERP. Maybe they just don't want to be interacting in that way with someone who is barely done with high school. It should be reasonable that an adult doesn't want to do that as opposed to something they get criticized for.

[AlyaNimfa]

From what I have learned in my travels trying to learn about RP is that it's a boomer thing and anyone younger than 40 isn't allowed.

I wish I were kidding.