Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

[Ashpd]

Perhaps a non-game example might highlight the point I'm trying to make better?

Suppose a far-left Democrat wanders into a far-right Republican convention. Should that person expect to change many minds? Should the Republicans expect to change that person's mind? It's not likely to go one way or the other. You also can't just sit there and declare that only one of the two parties is right. What would be the point of political parties otherwise?

No, instead that Democrat should probably just leave and go to wherever the Democrats were meeting up at.

First of - This example is not relevant to this topic at all. Second - From ToS:

Separately, in Final Fantasy XIV, player communities may have their own specific set of loosely established rules and guidelines, which involve their own manners, morals, and etiquette. These community-specific rules and guidelines are not officially established as a unified set of rules for the entire community, so they may differ from one community to another. What may be acceptable in one community may be objectionable in another.

If there is a situation in which a person repeatedly says or does something that can be judged as intentionally trying to disrupt the peace, such as "intentionally ignoring the community-specific rules and guidelines while being aware of them" or "unwilling to learn of them," a report can be made.

So, if OP going against community-specific rule - big pulls - and try to disrupt peace (what op doing right now) OP can get a warning/ban. So, OP need to adjust

[Thaciscokidd]

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Seriously, people here are report happy or something.

You're not going to have a foot to stand on if you report someone for single pulling in roulette. NOW if you make a party finder stating big pulls and they still single pull that would be reportable because that's disrupting gameplay.

You can either be encouraging and maybe they will start to pull more or just eat the penalty and leave.

Also from the TOS

It is prohibited to force personal views or disregard the opinions of others. If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

It is prohibited to make statements such as:
"There's no way we can clear this with [suggestion]."
"Big pulls are normal here, so do it!"
"I don't care what you think, just follow my instructions."
"I'm not asking for your opinion."

[Ashpd]

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I'm against report about that. But number of snowflakes in that game gonna report OP for that. So he need to adjust.
Btw yeah, your example clearly show why new ToS is bad. We can see how 2 opinion gonna get ban.

[Thaciscokidd]

Btw yeah, your example clearly show why new ToS is bad.

Agreed. Even with the new examples, personal interpretation can get you an easy 3 day break.

[Comfort]

This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase).

Ah, another it must be them post (not thread thankfully). Sorry to tell you buddy but it is likely in fact mostly "FFXIV players" (as in not those who came from WoW last year in the great exodus, but heck we are all playing FFXIV). Big pulls have nothing to do with other games, big pulls have been a thing in this game since launch (I would honestly say most of the time its the norm but small pulls are 100% fine).

You may also be surprised that the age demographics in FFXIV are likely quite similar to WoW and may on average be younger than you expect for the former, just like the latter.

[-BlueGreen-]

So he need to adjust.
Btw yeah, your example clearly show why new ToS is bad. We can see how 2 opinion gonna get ban.

Um, yeah, you might want to redact a few of your statements because I see variations of that 2nd example in your some of your recent posts in this thread (one is in the quote above). Don't worry, I don't plan on reporting anything either. In the context of what you're saying though, and the ToS, I have to wonder... if a player complains to a tank that they just need to pull bigger, and after the tank refuses that player then follows up with a report. When the GM reviews the report, would the player that made the report be the one to receive the penalty? I'd guess so, which is probably why I've filed very, very few reports outside of very obvious RMT/bot activity. It might even just be one where some random person decided to block my attempts to teleport one time with trade request spam and were being very obvious about what they were doing in chat.

But good grief! Here I am basically saying no one needs to change gameplay and just casually extending a friendly invite to someone to perhaps play with pre-mades of like-minded players who don't really care one way or the other what size pulls are and catching so much flak for it. If OP doesn't end up tanking for DF groups anymore (at least in the short term) as a result of starting to run tank in only premades, how would that be disruptive to the large-pull crowd?

Sure, their mindset is in the minority, but that doesn't make them automatically wrong.

[Ashpd]

Um, yeah, you might want to redact a few of your statements because I see variations of that 2nd example in your some of your recent posts in this thread (one is in the quote above). Don't worry, I don't plan on reporting anything either. In the context of what you're saying though, and the ToS, I have to wonder... if a player complains to a tank that they just need to pull bigger, and after the tank refuses that player then follows up with a report. When the GM reviews the report, would the player that made the report be the one to receive the penalty? I'd guess so, which is probably why I've filed very, very few reports outside of very obvious RMT/bot activity. It might even just be one where some random person decided to block my attempts to teleport one time with trade request spam and were being very obvious about what they were doing in chat.

But good grief! Here I am basically saying no one needs to change gameplay and just casually extending a friendly invite to someone to perhaps play with pre-mades of like-minded players who don't really care one way or the other what size pulls are and catching so much flak for it. If OP doesn't end up tanking for DF groups anymore (at least in the short term) as a result of starting to run tank in only premades, how would that be disruptive to the large-pull crowd?

Sure, their mindset is in the minority, but that doesn't make them automatically wrong.

I think GM work depends HOW you say it.

"Can you please pull more?" and "Pull big, stop being baby *INSERTRAGE*" - very different, and i think 100% you don't get punishment for 1st thing.

[Rinhi]

Thinking about it there isn't much more complexity added to tanks after 30ish in 4 man content. You really want to be practicing tanking in trials and alliance raids, where you can see a bunch of tank resposibility stuff like tethers to grab or cleaves to bait. Susano normal even has those orbs that the off tank wants to eat.

No way to practice tank swaps before EX content.

yup, which kind of sucks when you think about it

[Waliel]

Why do walls exist at all? Because that's the largest size pull the dungeon is designed for. So, actually, yes - Wall-to-wall pulls are part of the game's design. If they weren't, then the walls would be more frequent. Why allow tanks to pull two packs of mobs at all? Why do some walls end after two pulls, but some allow you to do three?

The mere fact of a wall's existence tells you everything you need to know about the intended pull size.

Akshually the walls were originally introduced to stop the tank from pulling everything with the party following close by but not aggroing anything. The tank would then die in a corner next to the boss and get resurrected, thus skipping all the trash in the dungeon.

[ErryK]

i get yelled at by healers for always pulling big because 'you take way too much damage' no, you should be using your skills properly and dpsing as a healer. if you can't keep me alive while curebotting in a big pull then what's the point of playing a healer in the first place? that's why i main healer in the first place.