Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

[Intellion]

So I'm experiencing what it is like to be a tank and I have to say to all the tanks out there;

"I am sorry but you must have the patience of a saint"

Honestly, it is probably the role that gets the most abuse in the game. If you want to go slower because you are still learning how to tank and interrupt abilities, you get yelled at by DPS.

If you want to pull one group at a time, you get yelled at...

Its such a toxic experience, I am not surprised the Roulette wants tanks most of the time.

I wanted to level a Paladin because they have the coolest armour (In my opinion) but the toxic nature of tanking has REALLY put me off levelling one. The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

Tank main here.


You know how the popular saying goes: if nearly everyone you get grouped up with always seem to act toxic towards you... then perhaps you are the problem.
Then again, reading that extremely toxic last sentence there about WoW refugees and your super entitled "holier than thou" attitude tells me all I need to know as to what may be causing the issue.


Git gud, cease that cringe victim mentality, and actually learn how to play your job properly by starting with W2W pulls, which is considered as a tanking basic. Your time isn't any more valuable than your other three party members, so I suggest you actually learn how to tank right and stop griefing random strangers with time-wasting single pulls outside of pre-Lv. 50 content, which in turn is likely why they get fed up with you.


Or stick to healers/DPS jobs and leave tanking to those who have a mental fortitude thicker than paper and actually takes responsibility for their own short-comings/mistakes instead of playing victim. But then again, healers and DPS are equally important to the party as well, which means that attitude/mindset of yours doesn't really belong to any of the three roles.

[Ashpd]

I'm surprised you've put up with so much of the feedback from this thread. Anyway, I suspect part of the problem is the DC you're on. As far as I understand it, Faerie is part of the DC that has the most serious raiding groups, and on top of that, I know for sure it's the DC that got the most attention from the WoW crowd due to a certain streamer going to one of the other servers in that same DC.

If you were on Coeurl, I'd just invite you to our FC. We're a chill group that try to run things together. Running with friends is a great way to learn a new role and avoid the problems you're describing. I can even help with learning tank as I've more or less gotten stuck with having to main it even though I'd prefer RDM due to no one else I play with really being willing to run tank. Actually, they don't like running healer either most of the time, so I've had runs where I go in on PLD without a healer and we either undersize (not unsync) dungeons or go 1 tank + 3 DPS. Those runs can be tons of fun that you won't have through the normal duty finder.

Maybe once DC travel opens up, try visiting some world on one of the other two NA datacenters and see if dungeon runs are more pleasant there. With the recent news, it sounds like we won't have to wait too much longer for that feature.

Rly lol? So, now Raiding group's is problem, because people start doing big pulls in already braindead easy game? Maybe just, i don't know, start press more buttons and be better?

[Benjo]

As far as I know, its a bannable offense and I think SE should crack down on this behaviour considerably. There is a reason its banned and you shouldn't ignore rules just because you personally don't like them.

There is only one scenario they will do something about it in general: When someone uses the DPS to harass someone ingame.
SQEX employees even use ACT in their private streams.

The only "big" thing they did since ARR was when the group that cleared The Epic of Alexander (Ultimate) first used a plugin called "Paisley Park"* that placed waymark presets instantly.
This was also observed by SQEX and they've disabled the ability to place waymarks in combat after that incident.

The devs watch the live streams of Savage and Ultimate races and they know people are using parsers as streamers don't make any buzz about hiding it as SQEX won't be doing anything as long it isn't used for cheating e. g. Paisley Park or harassment.

*Paisley Park is a waymark preset tool that allows you to save and load waymark presets to be used at any time without needing to do all the work manually.

[Rinhi]

You don't get to deal with proper tank busters or tank swap mechanics until long after lvl 30. Using immunities is another thing that you don't encounter at low lvl. While some are pretty straight forward to use, if you're a drk you might want to abstain from or delay popping Living Dead if your healer's mana is looking grim and you don't have a whm with you.

dungeons don't have tank swap mechanics, though
I'll give you the invulns, but that's mostly a DRK thing while they're just a big mitigation for the other 3 tanks

No thanks.

didn't expect anything else

[-BlueGreen-]

Rly lol? So, now Raiding group's is problem, because people start doing big pulls in already braindead easy game? Maybe just, i don't know, start press more buttons and be better?

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm essentially trying to point out that different datacenters have different cultures. Before world visit was a thing, it was even largely world-level cultures. The world-level cultures even survived to a degree until SE kicked the world population rebalancing into full gear which caused a massive influx of players used to large-server culture into what was previously small worlds.

Raiders play how they like to play. I've done a bit of savage raiding myself and even run a parser mostly for my own personal entertainment (and to gauge how well I'm doing) sometimes. Casual players just like to do things differently. Likewise, plenty of people here have given warnings that people on the Japanese worlds also have a completely different culture. Is there some particular reason everyone should play the same way?

I'm perfectly capable of wall to wall pulls, and I've had several instances of soloing bosses or keeping DPS alive even when the healer goes down without an RDM/SMN on the team. I just tend to hang with a crowd that often likes to just chill and take it easy and I have no problem with backing it off to 1-2 packs if that's what they want. The OP just sounds like he's on the wrong world and I was trying to give a helpful suggestion.

[Jin-]

What more you need than defenses and AoE attacks? Tanks get to fail mechanics more often than not aswell. Sounds like a good deal to me.

[Ashpd]

The OP just sounds like he's on the wrong world and I was trying to give a helpful suggestion.

It means, OP need to adjust to that people, not people adjust to him.

[KariTheFox]

humour me; what's there to learn about tanking that's new after lvl 30? ignore DPS abilities you gain, I'm talking about tank exclusive things
because the role is literally the same at lvl 16 as it is at lvl 90: pulling as much as possible, pressing your CDs and DPSing the mobs down that have aggro on you

Thinking about it there isn't much more complexity added to tanks after 30ish in 4 man content. You really want to be practicing tanking in trials and alliance raids, where you can see a bunch of tank resposibility stuff like tethers to grab or cleaves to bait. Susano normal even has those orbs that the off tank wants to eat.

No way to practice tank swaps before EX content.

[-BlueGreen-]

It means, OP need to adjust to that people, not people adjust to him.

Perhaps a non-game example might highlight the point I'm trying to make better?

Suppose a far-left Democrat wanders into a far-right Republican convention. Should that person expect to change many minds? Should the Republicans expect to change that person's mind? It's not likely to go one way or the other. You also can't just sit there and declare that only one of the two parties is right. What would be the point of political parties otherwise?

No, instead that Democrat should probably just leave and go to wherever the Democrats were meeting up at.

[IckeDerTyp]

Just pull everything OP! You can do it~

And even if we wipe, so what? We'll just try again :3