Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

[ddwarbird]

No, that is simply not true. No other role has you babysitting a bunch of children that are constantly whining for you to "go faster" which heavily increases your chances to make mistakes. As a healer main, I have never told my tank to pull more then they feel capable of just to get the dungeon finished a couple minutes faster. It is done, when its done and I wish the DPS had the same maturity.

This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase). Its why this game had such a wonderful community for so much longer as the game appealed to an older, more mature playerbase.

[Katie_Kitty]

No, that is simply not true. No other role has you babysitting a bunch of children that are constantly whining for you to "go faster" which heavily increases your chances to make mistakes. As a healer main, I have never told my tank to pull more then they feel capable of just to get the dungeon finished a couple minutes faster. It is done, when its done and I wish the DPS had the same maturity.

This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase). Its why this game had such a wonderful community for so much longer as the game appealed to an older, more mature playerbase.

You seem to be confused. Refusing to stick up for yourself and allowing others to completely walk all over you doesn't make you more mature. There is no reason why the DPS's time is worth less than the tanks, so I recommend getting over this idea in your head that only the tank's opinion matters. Dungeon parties are groups of 4, not 1.

[ddwarbird]

You seem to be confused. Refusing to stick up for yourself and allowing others to completely walk all over you doesn't make you more mature. There is no reason why the DPS's time is worth less than the tanks, so I recommend getting over this idea in your head that only the tank's opinion matters. Dungeon parties are groups of 4, not 1.

Neither does being a whiney brat and have everything centred around me, me, me. But then the world has been growing gradually more selfish and "look at me" over the last few decades sadly. Sorry but in terms of the game, DPS are expendable and can be easily replaced, healers and tanks not so much but I wonder if you would enjoy waiting 15-20 minutes for a tank depending on the time of day.

[Katie_Kitty]

Neither does being a whiney brat and have everything centred around me, me, me. But then the world has been growing gradually more selfish and "look at me" over the last few decades sadly.

That's ironic coming from the person who thinks dungeon parties should automatically do whatever the heck the tank wants.

[ddwarbird]

That's ironic coming from the person who thinks dungeon parties should automatically do whatever the heck the tank wants.

Its called, "consideration of others" but I suppose that isn't something most people today wouldn't know about. Its how you foster a sense of community and understanding which is a lost art it seems.

[Azuri]

Its called, "consideration of others" but I suppose that isn't something most people today wouldn't know about. Its how you foster a sense of community and understanding which is a lost art it seems.

Have you considered that others may not enjoy a single-pull experience?

[Katie_Kitty]

Its called, "consideration of others" but I suppose that isn't something most people today wouldn't know about. Its how you foster a sense of community and understanding which is a lost art it seems.

Don't worry friend I know what you're all about. Plenty of narcissistic people out there who think the world should revolve around them and could never possibly consider doing anything outside their immediate comfort zone. Why can't all those selfish other people just understand why they should follow and obey the tank's every whim? Life is so unfair.

[ddwarbird]

Don't worry friend I know what you're all about. Plenty of narcissistic people out there who think the world should revolve around them and could never possibly consider doing anything outside their immediate comfort zone. Why can't all those selfish other people just understand why they should follow and obey the tank's every whim? Life is so unfair.

Or maybe, just maybe, not everyone is the same and needs to play the game the Japanese way of insane human reflexes. Dyspraxia actually exists and some of us can become easily confused if there is a large amount of chaos on screen so its better to keep pulls to a minimal level. Even as a healer, I have trouble keeping up with the tanks desire to pull the entire dungeon rather then doing it the way the developers actually intended. If they had intended for wall to wall pulling, why would there not just be one large trash pack between each boss in every dungeon?

[Breakbeat]

Its called, "consideration of others" but I suppose that isn't something most people today wouldn't know about. Its how you foster a sense of community and understanding which is a lost art it seems.

LMFAO, the irony. Consideration of others goes both ways.

OP's behavior is the issue, done and done. Take a look at the condescension in their second post ("whining bunch of children") and the true nature of this person becomes apparent.

Personally, I learned not to belittle people (even in the face of something detrimental to my person or experience) when I was quite young. It seems the concept escapes even those who feel they've completed the "maturing" process.

[Hurlstone]

I am sorry you have been experiencing toxic players. I myself just got DRK, PLD and WAR to level 50 after suffering from tankiety for years, and I ended up enjoying myself a lot more then expected. I honestly enjoy it alot more then healing, and I have been finding very little toxicity from other players. There was one or two times where misunderstandings caused issues (Healer left me to die because I misunderstood the AOE aspect of a dungeon… I am against letting people die personally, but I suppose I understand why they did it) but overall the vast majority of my fellow players where nice and understanding. I am in no way a good tank yet, I am always worried that I am not pulling enough/pulling too little and I have this habit of judging my performance via the commendations which I do not think is wise. But then again I am just a baby and in n time I hope my skill/intuition improves!