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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Again, we don't have any connection to Zodiark at all. And what I said applied to Elidibus. He was going to kill us until we stopped him.
    It doesn’t matter about having a connection or not as i said before. It’s about them sticking to what they’ve said. They state that both are neither good nor evil, yet one is painted in a much better light and the other is disregarded entirely. Us having a connection doesn’t mean at the very least we can acknowledge what he did. Elidibus literally sacrificed himself for us and we can’t say anything about that? As for the latter comment, it would be a good side reason for it. Why keep a character around who is contributing nothing? At the very least have her go out in some style and importance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    It doesn’t matter about having a connection or not as i said before. It’s about them sticking to what they’ve said. They state that both are neither good nor evil, yet one is painted in a much better light and the other is disregarded entirely. Us having a connection doesn’t mean at the very least we can acknowledge what he did. Elidibus literally sacrificed himself for us and we can’t say anything about that?
    Both of them being "neither good nor evil" does not necessitate that their treatment should be equal.

    As for the latter comment, it would be a good side reason for it. Why keep a character around who is contributing nothing? At the very least have her go out in some style and importance.
    I'd say that's up to the writers and the writers alone. Death is not the only solution. The end of Endwalker, in fact, is one such solution with the entire Scions being "released" from needing to be in the story, but it leaves room for them to be added later if they want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Both of them being "neither good nor evil" does not necessitate that their treatment should be equal.

    I'd say that's up to the writers and the writers alone. Death is not the only solution. The end of Endwalker, in fact, is one such solution with the entire Scions being "released" from needing to be in the story, but it leaves room for them to be added later if they want to.
    Death may not be the only solution, but clearly keeping them alive is adding more problems. Considering the whole ultima thule plot point completely contradicts the theme of the expansion. I’ve stated it many times but it’s true and it’s just not right lol. Also, it’s arguable for your former point. Considering there’s always been some bias towards Hydaelyn, it would’ve been nice for once for there to be equality. Especially since they want to say time and time again not to judge a book by its cover. I’m still waiting for us to get some minions of the antagonists at any rate. Where’s our Emet,Hythlo,Zodiark,Elidibus minions hm? Seems there’s even some bias in regards to that. Venat gets hers for genociding the world, we should get some for the ascians then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Death may not be the only solution, but clearly keeping them alive is adding more problems. Considering the whole ultima thule plot point completely contradicts the theme of the expansion. I’ve stated it many times but it’s true and it’s just not right lol. Also, it’s arguable for your former point. Considering there’s always been some bias towards Hydaelyn, it would’ve been nice for once for there to be equality. Especially since they want to say time and time again not to judge a book by its cover. I’m still waiting for us to get some minions of the antagonists at any rate. Where’s our Emet,Hythlo,Zodiark,Elidibus minions hm? Seems there’s even some bias in regards to that. Venat gets hers for genociding the world, we should get some for the ascians then.
    Yup, especially since Emet and Hyth help secure victory at the end, and particularly since Zodiark is a major reason the world still exists some 12k years later. The WoL even apologises to Elidibus for what he had to do before the time travel. They were essentially made to play the part of villain for 12k years in the eyes of the sundered, all the while they were labouring to restore the world and their people, based on something she did with no real explanation that made sense to them. The writers have given them recognition in words, e.g. in various blurbs about them in cards and through ex dialogue from the Minstrel, but I'd like to see more.
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