What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[linayar]

Doesn’t change the fact about Zodiark though, or Elidibus. I wouldn’t say Venat was always on our side technically either if we equate ourselves to original Azem, whom she had also essentially betrayed and sundered. It depends on the perspective, but even so, it’s strange that the devs themselves state what the stance is on these things but still play favorites it seems. I just wish there was equality for both sides and not favoritism heavily skewed to one side. Seems like it’s always the pretty feminine characters that get the sympathy and fanservice whereas the more demonic looking ones (zodiark) get the short end of the stick, hence my comment about their appearances.

Again, we don't have any connection to Zodiark at all. And what I said applied to Elidibus. He was going to kill us until we stopped him.

Our relationship with Azem might be explored further in the future, but for now, we are not Azem. We may never know whatever Azem might think about Venat and it does not matter.

I mean, sure, you can point out the difference in their appearances in that way, but I'd say that's irrelevant to the story. If you care about that subject, then I would agree those biases certainly exist, mostly for marketing purposes, but I also don't think it's a bad thing myself if it has no implication on the story.

Still waiting for someone to explain to me what Yshtola did this expansion that was so substantial it warranted not killing her off. Anyone?

Why would that be a factor in deciding whether to kill someone?

[Thaciscokidd]

Our relationship with Azem might be explored further in the future, but for now, we are not Azem. We may never know whatever Azem might think about Venat and it does not matter.

This is the part actually bugs me. Unless Azem shows up in the Pandemonium raid series what other reason should we meet him/her? With this arc ended, should we have any reason to deal with the unsundered?

[linayar]

This is the part actually bugs me. Unless Azem shows up in the Pandemonium raid series what other reason should we meet him/her? With this arc ended, should we have any reason to deal with the unsundered?

Well, not really. It is the end of that whole saga. Of course, they can always make more stories about them (though hopefully not involving more actual time travel).

[KizuyaKatogami]

Again, we don't have any connection to Zodiark at all. And what I said applied to Elidibus. He was going to kill us until we stopped him.

It doesn’t matter about having a connection or not as i said before. It’s about them sticking to what they’ve said. They state that both are neither good nor evil, yet one is painted in a much better light and the other is disregarded entirely. Us having a connection doesn’t mean at the very least we can acknowledge what he did. Elidibus literally sacrificed himself for us and we can’t say anything about that? As for the latter comment, it would be a good side reason for it. Why keep a character around who is contributing nothing? At the very least have her go out in some style and importance.

[linayar]

It doesn’t matter about having a connection or not as i said before. It’s about them sticking to what they’ve said. They state that both are neither good nor evil, yet one is painted in a much better light and the other is disregarded entirely. Us having a connection doesn’t mean at the very least we can acknowledge what he did. Elidibus literally sacrificed himself for us and we can’t say anything about that?

Both of them being "neither good nor evil" does not necessitate that their treatment should be equal.

As for the latter comment, it would be a good side reason for it. Why keep a character around who is contributing nothing? At the very least have her go out in some style and importance.

I'd say that's up to the writers and the writers alone. Death is not the only solution. The end of Endwalker, in fact, is one such solution with the entire Scions being "released" from needing to be in the story, but it leaves room for them to be added later if they want to.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Both of them being "neither good nor evil" does not necessitate that their treatment should be equal.

I'd say that's up to the writers and the writers alone. Death is not the only solution. The end of Endwalker, in fact, is one such solution with the entire Scions being "released" from needing to be in the story, but it leaves room for them to be added later if they want to.

Death may not be the only solution, but clearly keeping them alive is adding more problems. Considering the whole ultima thule plot point completely contradicts the theme of the expansion. I’ve stated it many times but it’s true and it’s just not right lol. Also, it’s arguable for your former point. Considering there’s always been some bias towards Hydaelyn, it would’ve been nice for once for there to be equality. Especially since they want to say time and time again not to judge a book by its cover. I’m still waiting for us to get some minions of the antagonists at any rate. Where’s our Emet,Hythlo,Zodiark,Elidibus minions hm? Seems there’s even some bias in regards to that. Venat gets hers for genociding the world, we should get some for the ascians then.

[Lauront]

Death may not be the only solution, but clearly keeping them alive is adding more problems. Considering the whole ultima thule plot point completely contradicts the theme of the expansion. I’ve stated it many times but it’s true and it’s just not right lol. Also, it’s arguable for your former point. Considering there’s always been some bias towards Hydaelyn, it would’ve been nice for once for there to be equality. Especially since they want to say time and time again not to judge a book by its cover. I’m still waiting for us to get some minions of the antagonists at any rate. Where’s our Emet,Hythlo,Zodiark,Elidibus minions hm? Seems there’s even some bias in regards to that. Venat gets hers for genociding the world, we should get some for the ascians then.

Yup, especially since Emet and Hyth help secure victory at the end, and particularly since Zodiark is a major reason the world still exists some 12k years later. The WoL even apologises to Elidibus for what he had to do before the time travel. They were essentially made to play the part of villain for 12k years in the eyes of the sundered, all the while they were labouring to restore the world and their people, based on something she did with no real explanation that made sense to them. The writers have given them recognition in words, e.g. in various blurbs about them in cards and through ex dialogue from the Minstrel, but I'd like to see more.

[Aneshda]

Again, we don't have any connection to Zodiark at all. And what I said applied to Elidibus. He was going to kill us until we stopped him.

Our relationship with Azem might be explored further in the future, but for now, we are not Azem. We may never know whatever Azem might think about Venat and it does not matter.

I mean, sure, you can point out the difference in their appearances in that way, but I'd say that's irrelevant to the story. If you care about that subject, then I would agree those biases certainly exist, mostly for marketing purposes, but I also don't think it's a bad thing myself if it has no implication on the story.

Why would that be a factor in deciding whether to kill someone?

We are Azem, cause Azem is a Title, that Emet-Selch gave the WoL during the Fight with Elidibus.