The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Ronduwil]

What a ridiculous idea. Make the entry level alliance raids, the mandatory alliance raids, more difficult to try and funnel people into nier…
Punish those for not playing the content you want to play

Agreed. WoW took that feedback 12 years ago, and they've run with it ever since. There's a reason that this game continues to grow while WoW continues to fade.

[Quintessa]

TBF, WoW is an ancient MMO now, it should be fading lol.

[AbysmalDuck]

I have a better idea. Since no one can agree and people don't want to play the roulette the way it was intended, then get rid of it and make the mentors fill the spots. Best idea yet.

[Mika_Zahard]

I have a better idea. Since no one can agree and people don't want to play the roulette the way it was intended, then get rid of it and make the mentors fill the spots. Best idea yet.

Having 20 mentors help 4 sprouts? i'd pay to watch that.

[baklava151]

You completely missed the point. You don't get any current tomestones for queueing for CT. That's why they don't queue directly for it. To say that the newer alliance raids aren't any harder is laughable. Obviously they are, or no one would be deliberately "cheesing" the queue. Furthermore, if the majority of players were really clamoring for the harder, newer raids, then the players who "cheesed" it would actually be increasing your chances of getting into a current raid because they would exclusively be filling the slots for the older raids and leaving the newer raids' slots open for players who want to do the current ones. The reason you don't see as many current raids in the roulette is that players prefer to go into those with premade groups. This has nothing to do with item levels. Again, the roulette is working as designed.

To be honest, as soon as I saw you call players "lazy" for not wanting to put any "work" into a video game, I had to scratch my head. The whole point of playing is to relax. Playing a video game is, in and of itself, a lazy activity. Unless you're streaming the game or creating content from it, you'll never convince me that you're being industrious by investing more time into a video game than the next guy. If I wanted to be industrious, I wouldn't be playing video games in my spare time.

"You completely missed the point. You don't get any current tomestones for queueing for CT. That's why they don't queue directly for it."

I'm just flipping it back on you since you're fine with telling people to directly queue for later raids if they want them so bad, but then they also miss out on the roulette rewards. Yes, raids after ARR are harder, but they're still not hard. They don't even reach extreme level of difficulty.

The rest of your post makes no sense. If I queue for Nier and while I'm waiting, someone takes off their gear and queues alliance roulette, at worst they remove up to 23 players from the pool who could potentially fill my queue. At best they drop into a party that's already forming and there's one less player who could fill my queue. Neither situation helps my queue. Stop defending a bad system, it's no longer random if someone can skew it to one set of raids.

And yes, I get some people play the game very casually and that's perfectly fine, but it's an online game and if you're ruining the experience of others because you don't want to put in any effort, it becomes a problem. It reminds me of healers who actively refuse to DPS because "my role is healer"

[Kolaina]

It comes down to it is what it is. Deal with it. Be mad if you want, sure. But you can’t force players into a duty they don’t want. If you happen to be thrown into CT because someone stripped down, it is still chance that you got thrown there.
Some people don’t want nier raids because they take longer for the same reward. Even at a LotA final boss wipe, it’s still shorter than a nier raid. I’d rather do a 20 minute raid with a wipe than a 35+ minute raid with no wipe… more with a wipe which can easily happen with the current player base.

[MaxCarnage]

Good riddance. I still see wipes in CT raids and I suspect there is an overlap with people who find most alliance raids difficult enough to try and avoid them, and people who mess up basic mechanics.

I'll take their place if they quit. It's been a while since I last did alliance roulette and it would be fun to see the raids again. I'm just sick of getting nothing but CT.

I don't think any AR are in any way difficult. I don't want to to do them because for one, the overall skill level has decreased throughout the player base regardless of level, and two, the high level AR are a horrible waste of time for how much EXP they reward. I'm not lazy or a bad player for not wanting to do boring raids that take almost an hour every time. I just value my time.

[Kolaina]

My experience has been nothing but nier raids. Like the people who have become tired of CT, I have become tired of nier. Thanks to this thread existing, I found I could gear down to avoid my daily nier run. Thank you OP for bringing this work around to my attention. When I get tired of CT I’ll gear up again. But for now, no more daily nier for me.

[Saraide]

My experience has been nothing but nier raids. Like the people who have become tired of CT, I have become tired of nier. Thanks to this thread existing, I found I could gear down to avoid my daily nier run. Thank you OP for bringing this work around to my attention. When I get tired of CT I’ll gear up again. But for now, no more daily nier for me.

Maybe you only get nier because all the CT raids already have full groups and the only people left for nier raids are people like you.

[Ronduwil]

The rest of your post makes no sense. If I queue for Nier and while I'm waiting, someone takes off their gear and queues alliance roulette, at worst they remove up to 23 players from the pool who could potentially fill my queue. At best they drop into a party that's already forming and there's one less player who could fill my queue. Neither situation helps my queue. Stop defending a bad system, it's no longer random if someone can skew it to one set of raids.

I don't think you understand how that works. Those 23 players from the pool could not potentially have filled your queue, or they would have queued into your raid first. The reason your Nier raid is taking forever to fill is that most players at that level are currently running Endwalker premades. I queued into two Nier raids and only one CT raid this week alone. I don't know why you have to be so resentful over a level 50 player poaching potential candidates from you. It's a first-come-first-serve system. If you queue for a Nier raid, the roulette will start filling your raid with qualified candidates. Of course, no one is going to do that because there's no point right now. In contrast, players will queue for CT raids explicitly because it's an integral part of the storyline at this point.

To be clear, you're describing two different scenarios here:
1. This thread's original complaint cited a scenario where a player was queueing for the roulette and was finding themselves in CT more often than not. If, in fact, the trick of equipping 130 gear in order to deliberately queue into CT raids exclusively was as widespread as suggested, then the opposite phenomena would be observed: all the CT raid slots would be occupied with exploiters and the character in 560 gear would find themselves funneled into the higher level raids more often than not. This suggests to me that the real issue is that no one is using the duty finder to queue for Nier raids. They put up an ad on the Party Finder instead.

2. The scenario you just described where you explicitly queued for Nier. In that case, your raid would admittedly take longer to fill because other players were deliberately making themselves unavailable to it. In this case, I contend that the current system is better than alternatives. Assuming SE does what you want, two things are going to happen: Fewer players are going to queue period. The ones that do queue will simply abandon the duty as soon as they see they've queued into your Nier raid and try their luck again in a half hour. You're not going to improve anything. You'll just end up pissing even more people off.