The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[baklava151]

You completely missed the point. You don't get any current tomestones for queueing for CT. That's why they don't queue directly for it. To say that the newer alliance raids aren't any harder is laughable. Obviously they are, or no one would be deliberately "cheesing" the queue. Furthermore, if the majority of players were really clamoring for the harder, newer raids, then the players who "cheesed" it would actually be increasing your chances of getting into a current raid because they would exclusively be filling the slots for the older raids and leaving the newer raids' slots open for players who want to do the current ones. The reason you don't see as many current raids in the roulette is that players prefer to go into those with premade groups. This has nothing to do with item levels. Again, the roulette is working as designed.

To be honest, as soon as I saw you call players "lazy" for not wanting to put any "work" into a video game, I had to scratch my head. The whole point of playing is to relax. Playing a video game is, in and of itself, a lazy activity. Unless you're streaming the game or creating content from it, you'll never convince me that you're being industrious by investing more time into a video game than the next guy. If I wanted to be industrious, I wouldn't be playing video games in my spare time.

"You completely missed the point. You don't get any current tomestones for queueing for CT. That's why they don't queue directly for it."

I'm just flipping it back on you since you're fine with telling people to directly queue for later raids if they want them so bad, but then they also miss out on the roulette rewards. Yes, raids after ARR are harder, but they're still not hard. They don't even reach extreme level of difficulty.

The rest of your post makes no sense. If I queue for Nier and while I'm waiting, someone takes off their gear and queues alliance roulette, at worst they remove up to 23 players from the pool who could potentially fill my queue. At best they drop into a party that's already forming and there's one less player who could fill my queue. Neither situation helps my queue. Stop defending a bad system, it's no longer random if someone can skew it to one set of raids.

And yes, I get some people play the game very casually and that's perfectly fine, but it's an online game and if you're ruining the experience of others because you don't want to put in any effort, it becomes a problem. It reminds me of healers who actively refuse to DPS because "my role is healer"

[Ronduwil]

The rest of your post makes no sense. If I queue for Nier and while I'm waiting, someone takes off their gear and queues alliance roulette, at worst they remove up to 23 players from the pool who could potentially fill my queue. At best they drop into a party that's already forming and there's one less player who could fill my queue. Neither situation helps my queue. Stop defending a bad system, it's no longer random if someone can skew it to one set of raids.

I don't think you understand how that works. Those 23 players from the pool could not potentially have filled your queue, or they would have queued into your raid first. The reason your Nier raid is taking forever to fill is that most players at that level are currently running Endwalker premades. I queued into two Nier raids and only one CT raid this week alone. I don't know why you have to be so resentful over a level 50 player poaching potential candidates from you. It's a first-come-first-serve system. If you queue for a Nier raid, the roulette will start filling your raid with qualified candidates. Of course, no one is going to do that because there's no point right now. In contrast, players will queue for CT raids explicitly because it's an integral part of the storyline at this point.

To be clear, you're describing two different scenarios here:
1. This thread's original complaint cited a scenario where a player was queueing for the roulette and was finding themselves in CT more often than not. If, in fact, the trick of equipping 130 gear in order to deliberately queue into CT raids exclusively was as widespread as suggested, then the opposite phenomena would be observed: all the CT raid slots would be occupied with exploiters and the character in 560 gear would find themselves funneled into the higher level raids more often than not. This suggests to me that the real issue is that no one is using the duty finder to queue for Nier raids. They put up an ad on the Party Finder instead.

2. The scenario you just described where you explicitly queued for Nier. In that case, your raid would admittedly take longer to fill because other players were deliberately making themselves unavailable to it. In this case, I contend that the current system is better than alternatives. Assuming SE does what you want, two things are going to happen: Fewer players are going to queue period. The ones that do queue will simply abandon the duty as soon as they see they've queued into your Nier raid and try their luck again in a half hour. You're not going to improve anything. You'll just end up pissing even more people off.

[baklava151]

I don't think you understand how that works. Those 23 players from the pool could not potentially have filled your queue, or they would have queued into your raid first. The reason your Nier raid is taking forever to fill is that most players at that level are currently running Endwalker premades. I queued into two Nier raids and only one CT raid this week alone. I don't know why you have to be so resentful over a level 50 player poaching potential candidates from you. It's a first-come-first-serve system. If you queue for a Nier raid, the roulette will start filling your raid with qualified candidates. Of course, no one is going to do that because there's no point right now. In contrast, players will queue for CT raids explicitly because it's an integral part of the storyline at this point.

To be clear, you're describing two different scenarios here:
1. This thread's original complaint cited a scenario where a player was queueing for the roulette and was finding themselves in CT more often than not. If, in fact, the trick of equipping 130 gear in order to deliberately queue into CT raids exclusively was as widespread as suggested, then the opposite phenomena would be observed: all the CT raid slots would be occupied with exploiters and the character in 560 gear would find themselves funneled into the higher level raids more often than not. This suggests to me that the real issue is that no one is using the duty finder to queue for Nier raids. They put up an ad on the Party Finder instead.

2. The scenario you just described where you explicitly queued for Nier. In that case, your raid would admittedly take longer to fill because other players were deliberately making themselves unavailable to it. In this case, I contend that the current system is better than alternatives. Assuming SE does what you want, two things are going to happen: Fewer players are going to queue period. The ones that do queue will simply abandon the duty as soon as they see they've queued into your Nier raid and try their luck again in a half hour. You're not going to improve anything. You'll just end up pissing even more people off.

You're right, I was thinking about it wrong, however if I flip it where the exploiter queues first and then I queue up for Nier, it's still a negative for me. And to be clear, I'm only about the exploiters, I'm not begrudging the people who haven't unlocked later raids/aren't high enough level, after a certain point I'm accepting that CT will be more common than the other raids for various reasons. However it could be made slightly less worse.

Your first scenario doesn't make sense to me, it doesn't follow that this being a widespread issue (and honestly I can't say how major it is, but I do pretty often load into an ARR raid and see someone naked suddenly gear up) means CT would only be filled with exploiters, the people in 560 gear can still be pulled in with them. And afaik PF isn't that common for alliance raids other than joke runs. As for your second I would agree with what other people said and scale the rewards from the roulette based on the level of the raid.