The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[TaleraRistain]

I can't think of any easy solutions for this other than making the rest of the alliance raids mandatory as well

Please no. I wish I could un-unlock the Nier raids on my main and I'm not going to even bother on my alt.

[Mika_Zahard]

Yeah except we all know it's not filling with players who actually NEED the CT raids. It's been weeks now since I've seen the "Someone is new to this duty" message, meaning it's just filling with people abusing gear requirements which is NOT its intended use.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE NEW IN THAT DUTY in order to get it.

There's five possible explanations why CT raids popped in AR:

1. One or more people in the ALLIANCE didnt queue with a level 60 job.
2. One or more people in the ALLIANCE dont have any other AR unlocked.
3. One or more people in the ALLIANCE queued directly for the CT that popped.
4. Entirely random since 1 in 4 chance of getting a CT via random roulette (this chance increases if someone in the alliance doesnt have all or any of the other ARs unlocked).
5. Someone reduced their ILVL before entering AR queue.

[Avatre]

So you are saying people actually don't mind doing longer duties if they are appropriately rewarded? If only we could, say, apply this to AR roulette... Nah, nonsense.

Which would be fine if it did. But since it doesn't something to prevent cheesing the queue would be nice. Preferably something like what Expert roulette has, where you have to have certain duties unlocked/cleared to be able to access it. As is, when new dungeons appear, you don't keep access to expert until you unlock those dungeons, so why not put that requirement on alliance raids? It would do a few things:

1. Help people who are trying to do later raids a better chance of getting them popped, and cleared, in a timely manner;
2. Expose people to mechanics that are seen in later parts of the story, that are more frequently seen in the raids;
3. Help people get exposed to their more complete skill set so that they can work on practicing rotations, while still be rewarded for doing so

[Kolaina]

So you are saying people actually don't mind doing longer duties if they are appropriately rewarded? If only we could, say, apply this to AR roulette... Nah, nonsense.

Idk how this person doesn’t have upvotes when it is the best response in this thread. If it takes longer, it should be worth more. If it’s worth more, people would be more incentivized to do it. As it stands right now, CT is much less time and effort for the same reward

[Ronduwil]

It's not a matter of later raids being difficult, none of the later alliance raids are that hard nor are "expert" dungeons, it's players being lazy. How about if someone only wants to run CT, they can queue for it directly and stop ruining alliance roulette with ilvl cheesing. There's nothing try hard about expecting people to put in a modicum of effort.

You completely missed the point. You don't get any current tomestones for queueing for CT. That's why they don't queue directly for it. To say that the newer alliance raids aren't any harder is laughable. Obviously they are, or no one would be deliberately "cheesing" the queue. Furthermore, if the majority of players were really clamoring for the harder, newer raids, then the players who "cheesed" it would actually be increasing your chances of getting into a current raid because they would exclusively be filling the slots for the older raids and leaving the newer raids' slots open for players who want to do the current ones. The reason you don't see as many current raids in the roulette is that players prefer to go into those with premade groups. This has nothing to do with item levels. Again, the roulette is working as designed.

To be honest, as soon as I saw you call players "lazy" for not wanting to put any "work" into a video game, I had to scratch my head. The whole point of playing is to relax. Playing a video game is, in and of itself, a lazy activity. Unless you're streaming the game or creating content from it, you'll never convince me that you're being industrious by investing more time into a video game than the next guy. If I wanted to be industrious, I wouldn't be playing video games in my spare time.

[Reinha]

If they force people to do the higher tier raids without giving them higher tier rewards then people are just not going to do the alliance roulette.

Good riddance. I still see wipes in CT raids and I suspect there is an overlap with people who find most alliance raids difficult enough to try and avoid them, and people who mess up basic mechanics.

I'll take their place if they quit. It's been a while since I last did alliance roulette and it would be fun to see the raids again. I'm just sick of getting nothing but CT.

[demonette]

Sounds like they should just buff enemy hp in the CT/ST raids.

[Kolaina]

Sounds like they should just buff enemy hp in the CT/ST raids.

What a ridiculous idea. Make the entry level alliance raids, the mandatory alliance raids, more difficult to try and funnel people into nier…
Punish those for not playing the content you want to play

[MaxCarnage]

What a ridiculous idea. Make the entry level alliance raids, the mandatory alliance raids, more difficult to try and funnel people into nier…
Punish those for not playing the content you want to play

Not only that, but it would keep the people who are tired of CT in them for longer. "I don't want to do this content any more so make it harder and longer to punish everyone who gets it inclusing myself". Ridiculous idea.

[Ronduwil]

If that is the purpose of the roulette, then deliberately locking yourself out of being available to help fill the higher levels of the roulette is defeating the purpose of it. The people queuing for Dun Scaith and Paradigm's Breach need those veterans' help more urgently than the ones queuing for Syrcus where everyone in the roulette is eligible to join them.

Trust me: a player who deliberately went to the trouble to make themselves unavailable for those raids isn't one you want in one of those raids with you. Ironically, the players complaining the most about this system are the ones are are theoretically benefiting the most from it because those players' lack of availability in the current raids increases leaves more slots open for the available players, thereby increasing the chances that a player who is available to all raids will land one of those spots. The "cheesing" isn't "ruining" the roulette. It's actually improving it for the people who prefer the later raids. I don't cheese the roulette, and I get a healthy mix of raids sprinkled in there on my max level jobs. This week I've gotten Weeping City of Mhach, Puppet Bunker, Copied Factory, and Labyrinth of the Ancients. Last week I was getting Void Ark almost every day. I didn't even know you could cheese the roulette in this fashion until this thread happened. Now I have to resist the temptation to do so. All this thread has accomplished is to bring awareness to an obscure exploit, and for what? They're proposing to alienate players over a non-issue.