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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I do have to wonder how much character development they could work in for him in the hypothetical "Corvos as relic zone" though. If it's outside of MSQ they can't have him making any life-changing decisions that would alter his ongoing status in the main story. Unless they're planning to write him out of it...? But that's getting to several layers of hypothetical at once.
    I'm definitely with you in worrying that he could get Midgardsormr'd, since this is kind of their window to do it without needing to explain why we never call G'raha anymore in the next expac. He is, however, still stupidly popular, and the law of conservation of detail would additionally suggest he can't really leave the core cast until we've been to Meracydia, at the earliest. We don't need another entire continent's worth of feigned ignorance at the complexities of Allagan ruins.

    I think, at worst, he might lose his Allagan superpowers (since they still have a timer), and end up pulling a post-coil Alisaie: dropping off radar for a while so he can show up later with an expansion job, possibly with combat-ready Krile in tow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I'm not sure that he can't pass it down, though he did say it was happening less reliably in recent generations. However, given all that has happened with the tower, he may feel that the tribe have fulfilled their duty by maintaining it to this point and it no longer needs to be passed along with the same urgency.
    The trait as G'raha inherited it was no longer enough to accomplish the purpose for which it was passed on, and logically hadn't been for many generations. This was a plot point way back in CT. He was convinced the "temporary" transfusion he got from Doga and Unei was the end of it, and that's what led to him sealing himself in the Tower all those years ago (a.k.a. earlier "this" year).

    The messier question they've never brought up is: would Salina have approved? (Righting course to: back on topic!)

    G'raha never knew what the Eye was for, was eventually told that it was for operating the Tower, got one stray voice clip from Salina corroborating that, and was only finally released from that purpose by Ramnbroes, who did it for the right reasons but is otherwise entirely unqualified to make that call on her behalf.

    So now, suddenly, we've been reminded that there's a whole tribe out there that knows way more on the subject, and somehow G'raha was never able to check in with them in the course of his research? I assume Galuf forbid him from making contact while the Empire was a threat, but if G'raha meets them now, how might they feel about his choices? If it's left at "cool story, bro" then the meeting might as well not happen. So it probably won't be.

    I think Salina had a more specific plan, but we don't yet know what it is. For whatever reason, I've always felt she'd work better as an antagonist. Maybe because G'raha used to look like like a palette-swap of Zidane (with Trance Kuja colors), and the G could really stand for "Genome."

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    If it's voluntary, is it slavery? But yeah, it's weird to us, but it's just a completely different cultural concept for them. I get the impression that they probably just regard it as more of a practical matter.
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    Of course, more traditional Seekers might find it just as weird, or even selfish, that someone would choose to take a dedicated partner instead of doing what's best for the survival of the tribe as a whole.
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    Overall it's just an interesting alternate mindset that the writers have invented and then never explored, or only poked at nervously while apparently hoping people don't look at it too closely and realise what they're talking about.
    The idea that men are selfish for not siring children is actually still very prevalent in our modern society, though understandably not a pressure you'd ever be directly exposed to (as a woman, you're already supposed to be making lots of babies, and I'm sure you have plenty of feelings on that that I won't ask you to share). I'm not blaming or judging you or the writers for anything, It's just funny what perspective does. I'm sure I'm supposed to leave it at "woo, yeah, catgirl harem!" and this is definitely a personal problem on my part, but I can't just look at 6000 years of unbroken patrilineal inheritance and say "oh, yes, not a single heir to the Eye took issue with their lot in life." (Which is of course not to suggest that you'd have to be gay to not want to stud yourself out to dozens of women. Men of all orientations have their reasons to want or not want sex and/or children.) Wouldn't one of them have tried to end it?

    That said, if we do end up meeting Salina (maybe she's in stasis on an Allagan starship), she could have some interesting Venat parallels if she comes to regret what she put Desch's bloodline through. That Salina and Desch are lovers in FF3 canon but quite explicitly not in FF14 canon itself has some interesting implications, since it suggests the possibility that she broke things off and (by virtue of her request) pressured him into being with other women (who were viable), rather than continue their inter-species romance. And assuming the "once per generation" thing is some kind of coded rule, whoever got it next basically had no rights to their own body. Even leaving the whole sex thing aside, there were probably ancestor-G'rahas who never had the freedom to adventure. How would Salina feel about that?


    And finally, you weren't supposed to take these particular digs seriously but...
    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    I seem to have missed this "comic scene" with Lyna. I don't recall her having anything more than the understandable amount of confusion on discovering her grandfather looks the same age as herself. Or probably just having to get used to seeing his face at all, really, when he's been a shadowed mystery all her life.
    You're right that it's treated very seriously in-game, I just recall reading cringey statements around the 5.2-times to the effect of "oh, they're so in love," so it was funny (to me) for the Exarch to torpedo that ship with extreme prejudice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    And all that happened with Aenor, as far as I recall, was that she tried to flirt with him and came to the conclusion that despite his young appearance he talks like an old man.
    I am way reading between the lines, but the very patch before she was contemplating trying to pull him into a four-way with her, Ocher, and Hoary. Since I very much doubt that ended up happening, I think the joke(?) was that he's so frigid he even cooled down Aenor. It's not what I'd call "a good bit," but it did happen.


    ONE MORE EDIT: Please don't worry too much about my weird, new-age-y bulls*kupo*t. It's just me being me. Spec-fic raises issues like this all the time and I'm just way too used to poking at them.
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    Last edited by Fenral; 01-15-2022 at 12:32 AM.