Yoshi-P Statement on Player Feedback

[DPZ2]

For the poster who enjoys using the term 'lazy':

Do you develop software for money?
Do you work as a project manager or a lead developer for a software team?
Do you have any idea, whatsoever, what goes into the development process for a piece of software?

Or are you an armchair developer with no real experience?

Just asking about your usage of the word 'lazy', since it tumbles so smoothly from your keyboard.

tl;dr Do you even code, bro?

[Gameovers]

Stuff I'll get to in another reply. As it's actually quite of bit to reply too.

This here is just a quick reply to your last point. You don't need to be MEAN to the devs to get your point across. Or do you think you can be mean to them? I mean you said it. Let me quote you. "And now with this statement any negative feedback is going to get the band of Yoshi P worshippers up in arms to not be mean to the devs." You can have negative feedback I hope noone is telling you that. What I'm saying is you can give that feedback without insulting them. Thats why you're getting so much pushback here in this topic. It's not the issues you have, it's the TONE in which you speak them. I mean that's what this thread is about.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Its really surprising to me how vicious and bitter some of this community is towards the dev team. Here I thought a lot of folks are respectful or have a bit of faith towards them considering the amount of work and effort they do between each expansion and keeping the general crowd happy.

[Takamorisan]

We just got the best community award... Like you can provide feedback and be polite at the same time.

[BaconBits]

Its really surprising to me how vicious and bitter some of this community is towards the dev team. Here I thought a lot of folks are respectful or have a bit of faith towards them considering the amount of work and effort they do between each expansion and keeping the general crowd happy.

Your mum is respectful, have a wonderful day.

[MagiusNecros]

I can see vile comments towards the devs on say a great deal over general discussion but when it comes to discussing job classes it's more venting frustration on why the jobs function as is and have some glaring issues in relation to other job classes of the same role.

There are very valid complaints across all 3 roles. I can sympathize with their frustration. And I don't think putting on a fake filter for the sake of not hurting someone's feelings just isn't going to get the point across. And when Yoshi P wants to claim he plays his own game and you get design problems on a multitude of classes because they weren't extensively tested. You can say they were. They weren't.

Over the years I haven't seen much interaction from the forums actual staff. The Hempen Camise example mentioned earlier claimed they looked into it and their response was they will not give any race access to all the racial designs under the pretense that they want to keep the races unique but in actuality it is because it's used as incentive for players to buy fantasia potions for race swaps so they as a company can make more money. All it is really.

Furthermore the most recent action we've seen from the staff is a massive purge of posts from the media tour blowout when all the content and information leaked and spread like a plague before the NDA lifted.

So they are capable of taking action when needed but is there actual interaction between the players? Not really.

I'd say when it comes to community support that's when it comes to technical issues, apologies for delays, liveletters keeping you updated on stuff, having a roadmap for what's coming, addressing the server congestion they are top notch when it comes to that. No question about it and is some of the best I've ever seen from any game that falls under GaaS(Games as a Service).

If they do read the forums I think it might be helpful if they read the general issues people have and just sift out the garbage. But the administration that oversees the forum? They have very little say or control over what happens in the game. So it probably isn't a surprise they went cold turkey since 3.0.

Again I'll restate from a earlier post. If the devs want a civil conversation they have to open proper channels for conversation to begin with or you aren't going to reach any level of understanding. Even a series of dev diaries or liveletters discussing the direction they want each individual job class would be something to alleviate the concerns of some players. Or at least offer some transparency.

As a whole the game is fine and has a plethora of content but an ever growing issue is design problems among jobs.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[Takamorisan]

Even a series of dev diaries or liveletters discussing the direction they want each individual job class would be something to alleviate the concerns of some players. Or at least offer some transparency.

That's an excellent idea we might not agree with the devs 100% of time regarding the class but at least would help us understand the class direction and why actions were taken.

[IdowhatIwant]

For the poster who enjoys using the term 'lazy':

Do you develop software for money? Not currently but I have for an internship
Do you work as a project manager or a lead developer for a software team? I have lead a small team of interns and developed in an internship
Do you have any idea, whatsoever, what goes into the development process for a piece of software? I do
Or are you an armchair developer with no real experience? no I work networking because I lack of effort, activity and care(lazy) to code all that crap
tl;dr Do you even code, bro? Not to the extent that I used to
Probably not the answers you were expecting. My college required us to intern to graduate and my degree was computer science. I may not have years of experience but I understand the gist of it.
What does any of that have to do with my terminology? Are you saying because I do not work in this industry I cannot have an opinion of what poor design is? I feel you are trying to use my career choice and/or education to belittle or harass me which is not cool.

My tone is aggressive, if you feel that is mean than that is your misinterpretation. Honestly it is extremely petty how the term lazy is being blown out of proportion vs saying lack of effort, activity, and care. Has the world changed that much to where lazy is now offensive, mean, or derogatory? I am 100% sure if I started off with lack of effort, activity and care every one would have the same complaint about what I said is mean. Your deflecting my feedback because you have a problem with the terminology I used and that is your problem not mine. That is what this community has always done and that is why the game is in this current state. A larger portion of this games community are casual players, which there is nothing wrong with, however the game caters heavily towards them and lacks in other areas. This community constantly attempts to gate keep any negative feedback regarding this as well as other things, but that is a whole different issue. If you think calling the devs lazy is what Yoshi P is talking about you are heavily mistaken.

There are people that has said worst and even threatened them, and that is what they are referencing. Not an individual saying the devs are lazy cause of x design and y lack of content. More than likely individual devs were likely called out, called names, and even threatened. It was even mentioned earlier in this forum but everyone chose to berate me for the term lazy and likely did not even read it.

You guys do realize the target group that Yoship is referring to are those Japanese extreme players who mailed knife blade as threat right?
These guys are the worst and can even go as far as burning down an anime studio.
These are the group that constantly making verbal threat and stalking.
He is not referring to the - who always using subscription as threat, those are just sheeps.
He is talking about the real wolves here.

[Claire_Pendragon]

FFXIV has gotten better with every expansion and that trend continued with EndWalker. Who are these whiners who say otherwise?

Dark Knights since HW...

[Mezzoforte]

Credit to reddit translator Iluna Minori.
Original JP Text

So there is a problem here. It is impossible for them to avoid the crazy anti flaming raging people. It just can't happen. Telling them to calm down will do nothing. You will never have a community of super polite or yes people. There is always going to be sour grapes, angry people, irrational people taking out their problems on others, so on and so forth. Anyone who believes otherwise has not lived in the real world. The devs will have to either learn to ignore it, filter it better by just removing these people, or get torn down by it.

The other part is it is them talking about the japanese side. They are much more toxic and much more angry than the NA forums could ever be. It just is their culture. This is a dev problem. Not an other people problem. They need to learn to cope, take action to fix it, or ignore it. There are no other solutions. No amount of talking or sending messages will fix these broken unfixable types that their entire existence feeds off this lifestyle.

something something great community by the way also haha.