The current State of Casters 6.05 edition - balancing discussion

[Aikaal]

Hey, one thing that's worth noting is that when he or the dev team talks like this, it's rarely comprehensive. So NIN, WHM, PLD, and other jobs that are hurting may still get some love.

They also do read the forums and listen to player feedback so my hopium is that this thread trends enough for them to notice what we'd like for changes for Casters.

Kinda repeating myself but I can't stress enough I want them to take back that mobility to give me back the power I lost.

I was a pretty bad Summoner when I did the last Eden tier and I would have done better on Red Mage but I wanted to give it a go knowing I didn't like it, Didn't optimize my rotation and clears like I usually do. Now I do like it and I get that most people hate the new Summoner because its "easier" than Dancer when the reality is optimizing it is just really bad. How many time the game didnt register my Searing Light on the 1st GCD and its just straight up gone for the full opener burst window lol. Well, it definitely feel like a more authentic Summoner but Summoner never needed this amount of mobility.

I just feel if they decide to buff Black Mage and ignore the Summoner situation that I won't play it anymore even if I like it. Actions are often worth a thousand words and if nobody plays Summoner maybe they'll listen and have a dev actually play Summoner and have him hate it like us.

[Risvertasashi]

I'm tired of this "prog caster" bullshit some people are trying to push. Summoner belongs below Red Mage until it requires more than one brain cell to play.

Sigh. Well, surprised we got to page 3 before these people showed up.

They also do read the forums and listen to player feedback so my hopium is that this thread trends enough for them to notice what we'd like for changes for Casters.

Kinda repeating myself but I can't stress enough I want them to take back that mobility to give me back the power I lost.

I was a pretty bad Summoner when I did the last Eden tier and I would have done better on Red Mage but I wanted to give it a go knowing I didn't like it, Didn't optimize my rotation and clears like I usually do. Now I do like it and I get that most people hate the new Summoner because its "easier" than Dancer when the reality is optimizing it is just really bad. How many time the game didnt register my Searing Light on the 1st GCD and its just straight up gone for the full opener burst window lol. Well, it definitely feel like a more authentic Summoner but Summoner never needed this amount of mobility.

I think people really underestimate the mobility of old summoner. Erm, including you, sorry. Remember pre-EW, we got 8 GCDs of pure mobility every minute we could put just about anywhere (did need a few for weaving but still). The exception was going into bahamut, in which case we only got 4 GCDs because we had to hold the other 4 for bahamut, but that was also in addition to other insta-casts and we could always draw out DWT a bit in a worst case, emergency-mobility scenario.

I don't hate the new SMN because it's "easier" or a lot of other such tripe on the forums, like that comment from Azuri there, but I do miss the flexibility the job lost. (Also having a much better titan shield for POTD, lol).

But anyways I'm right there with you on the hopium.

I just feel if they decide to buff Black Mage and ignore the Summoner situation that I won't play it anymore even if I like it. Actions are often worth a thousand words and if nobody plays Summoner maybe they'll listen and have a dev actually play Summoner and have him hate it like us.

Oh, yeah, that curse. The same white mage suffers from. "It's popular so if it's ever optimal, we'll emergency buff the other healers." Summoner may be subject to the same since, yeah, lots of people playing it right now.

And then there was bard. One expac, the most popular DPS. The next, SE was so scared of buffing it out of garbage tier it was least played for over a year...

Let's hope the new summoner doesn't suffer a similar fate.

[Aikaal]

I think people really underestimate the mobility of old summoner. Erm, including you, sorry. Remember pre-EW, we got 8 GCDs of pure mobility every minute we could put just about anywhere (did need a few for weaving but still). The exception was going into bahamut, in which case we only got 4 GCDs because we had to hold the other 4 for bahamut, but that was also in addition to other insta-casts and we could always draw out DWT a bit in a worst case, emergency-mobility scenario.

Mmm, well I did play 1 tier on ShB Summoner and yeah their mobility was just fine. They don't need more. In any case, ShB was balanced but didn't really reflect what people believed to be a real summoner. Now people see the current summoner as a real summoner and they play it. Not only it is casually easy to play but it feels fun.

But yeah, unless I confused my words, I don't think I meant to say that Summoner mobility was bad prior Endwalker. They did improve it in Endwalker which if it's the reason their power was gutted, it's a really bad reason

Let us hope that SMN doesnt suffer from success like WHM but yeah, that's how I see it right now.