Your Dark Knight players are unhappy. あなたの暗闇騎士プレイヤーは不幸です

[Agner]

To fix PLD they just need to raise some numbers. To fix DRK they just need to reconstruct the jobs very identity from the ground up before it will ever feel good to play again.

A Dark Knight and a Paladin walk into a bar. The Dark Knight awkwardly bursts into tears and sobs about how his marriage has been falling apart for years, his wife finally left him and took the abilities—his life is now meaningless.

The Paladin responds "I feel you, buddy. One of my coworkers screwed up a math equation last week."

[Undeadfire]

[Small_potato]

A Dark Knight and a Paladin walk into a bar. The Dark Knight awkwardly bursts into tears and sobs about how his marriage has been falling apart for years, his wife finally left him and took the abilities—his life is now meaningless.

The Paladin responds "I feel you, buddy. One of my coworkers screwed up a math equation last week."

I think Yoshida has already received many suggestions and opinions but they do not have available resources to start reworking DRK. Rework of SMN is just a accident for them(Yoshida said they overtime for two nights, making the rework). And for the same reason, they leave the job identity and balance issues.

[Naoki34]

Your Dark Knight players are unhappy

So you feel like the DRK community?

You're the noisy minority nothing more, considering the number of people complaining it must not even be 5% of FFXIV players in the world.
Those who are happy with it, well, they're having fun without having to tell the world.

[MagiusNecros]

I think Yoshida has already received many suggestions and opinions but they do not have available resources to start reworking DRK.

They've had 6 years. Reaper is their answer to a Dark Knight rework.

[Sazuzaki]

So you feel like the DRK community?

You're the noisy minority nothing more, considering the number of people complaining it must not even be 5% of FFXIV players in the world.
Those who are happy with it, well, they're having fun without having to tell the world.

Guess you haven't been paying attention to the inside nor outside of the forums. Maybe even the game itself.

Those who are unhappy with it, well, they're not having fun without having to tell the world.

Whether the majority like/dislike DRK is a different discussion entirely, but looking at other discussions suggests there's a lot of other people who also acknowledge the lack of identity. There's many people who don't like DRK but love the class fantasy, me included. They just don't speak out. I think it's more of the DRK playerbase is split between people who like it and people who don't like it, which isn't a good thing in itself.

They've had 6 years. Reaper is their answer to a Dark Knight rework.

Thing is, DRK is a tank. I don't think they'd respond by releasing a DPS with no similar mechanics aside from Death's Design being Sole Survivor. Only similar thing is aesthetic.

I genuinely do think that DRK will get a good rework one day though. Whether that be 6.x or 9.x depends on them, but I think it's inevitable after seeing how SMN was reworked to accurately reflect the previous iterations, despite being one the best casters in 5.0.

[MagiusNecros]

Thing is, DRK is a tank.

It would like to be. It's garbage(in relation to other Tanks, it can still function most of the time) in dungeons and utterly relies on their healer and is primarily a raid tank because of it's damage. Only 2% ahead of GNB btw if that's still the case.

The weaponskill/spell split with Blood Weapon is shit. Stack system with Delirium would be better. Raiders want 5 charges/stacks.
Enhanced Unmend is shit.
It's self-sustain is shit.
Heavy Thrust Tank playstyle is shit.
Dark Mind is shit. Just absorb the magic damage as health and MP.
Living Dead is SHIT.
Salted Earth and it's Upgrade is a shit Circle of Scorn. Therefore shit.
Abyssal Drain being neutered from Stormblood and being tied to CnS is shit.
TBN is objectively shit. Given the TBN competitors that are miles better. It's still strong but is it "good". Not really. Stormyblood fun times are over brother.
Stalwart Soul and Dark Missionary not being available at lvl70 is shit.
Dark Missionary being Magic only is shit.
Living Shadow just being Scourge with a 2 min CD and a Blood Cost is shit.
Oblation being arguably worse then Rampart is shit.
Shadowbringer being Dark Passenger is shit.

That's a lot of shit to clean up.

And then there's the fact we gave away most of our utility to the other tanks, parry was scuffed, Power Slash among other skills completely removed.

The removal of Blood Price and Dark Arts I loathe entirely. Not to mention Vanilla DRKs such as myself highly preferred the clunky but fast and engaging reactive Tank playstyle that Heavensward offered instead of this slow poor man's Warrior 15 second special DRK they want to throw out at every given opportunity.

Reaper may as well be FF11 DRK but damn amazing. It's no small wonder DRKs are eyeballing Arcane Crest if they have played FF11 and see what it can offer a party as opposed to TBN. And it's primarily because the other tanks are frontloaded with self-sustain and DRK has nothing. And they want to know why a DPS has better sustain potential then they do.

Only time DRK in XIV has decent sustain is in PvP. Fantastic.

But if DRK is ever looked at *properly* I'll be all for it until then if I play a Tank spec it'll be Gunbreaker.

[Sazuzaki]

The weaponskill/spell split with Blood Weapon is shit. Stack system with Delirium would be better. Raiders want 5 charges/stacks.
Enhanced Unmend is shit.
It's self-sustain is shit.
Heavy Thrust Tank playstyle is shit.
Dark Mind is shit. Just absorb the magic damage as health and MP.
Living Dead is SHIT.
Salted Earth and it's Upgrade is a shit Circle of Scorn. Therefore shit.
Abyssal Drain being neutered from Stormblood and being tied to CnS is shit.
TBN is objectively shit. Given the TBN competitors that are miles better. It's still strong but is it "good". Not really. Stormyblood fun times are over brother.
Stalwart Soul and Dark Missionary not being available at lvl70 is shit.
Dark Missionary being Magic only is shit.
Living Shadow just being Scourge with a 2 min CD and a Blood Cost is shit.
Oblation being arguably worse then Rampart is shit.
Shadowbringer being Dark Passenger is shit.

I agree with you on everything said here. Its disappointing. I like to think RPR is what DRK was originally going to be in XIV, but I still don't think it's a response to all the DRK complaints.

[Satarn]

If people who loved DRK in XI like RPR, that's great for them. It's genuinely great that you got a job that caters to you and no longer have to feel bad about SE going the great-sword tank route with actual DRK, instead of the scythe dps like in XI. That was specifically the goal according to Yoshi P, so it's nice to hear they've actually hit the mark on this one.

However, RPR's existence does absolutely nothing for most of the people who loved the pre-5.0 iterations of XIV's DRK. It doesn't share any mechanics (you can kinda reach to say that Death's Design is like Sole Survivor, but not really) and is completely different gameplay-wise, even when you ignore the role difference - which is a pretty damn big difference in itself. The DRK we miss was fast paced, reactive and required constant attention to your resource(es), meanwhile RPR is the lowest apm melee in the game, with very little weaving and a rather simple resource. There is nothing wrong with that, it has its own identity and many people enjoy it, but it is not a replacement for XIV's DRK.

Likewise, while I finally do enjoy GNB in its 6.0 iteration, weaving aside it's closer to filling the hole left by the 4.1 WAR in its playstyle, than to being a substitute for DRK. Honestly there is nothing that feels even remotely close to that lost job, regardless of role and that really sucks because a lot of people loved it.

[Shurrikhan]

Likewise, while I finally do enjoy GNB in its 6.0 iteration, weaving aside it's closer to filling the hole left by the 4.1 WAR in its playstyle, than to being a substitute for DRK.

Speaking of other good iterations lost to time...

Like 3.x DRK, it certainly had room for improvement, but it'd be hard to argue that anything that's come since has been a net benefit in terms of gameplay or identity.