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    Quote Originally Posted by Satarn View Post
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    Yep, completely my bad. I was thinking of them as literally back-to-back, rather than ever possibly having intervening Hyosho or TCJ casts (though I earlier said Suiton just because that --into Meisui-- would be between TCJ's Raiton and the following Raiton; idk, dumb of me).

    On the whole, I think it the annoyance of a gap-closer may be a ping thing (Californian here), but yeah, I can see why people would get tired of that outright replacing 2 whole Aeolian combos or the like.

    It just felt like a weird change compared to simply, say, allowing multiple Raijuu Ready stacks to exist simultaneously and for the effect not to be purged by other weaponskills, perhaps with some AE/AC interaction, as then it could at least act as a modulating combo for alignment and/or a freer gap-closer (though, yes, with 2 stacks of Shukuchi, that's hardly necessary). At 3 non-Kassatsu Ninjutsu casts per minute, one spent just to ready TA, those 6 Raijuu in the opening minute and every other thereafter, or 4 per its TCJ-less minute, were the only Raijuu in said minutes, as compared to ~15 other GCDs per minute. That hadn't seemed like an overly large or therefore disturbing portion to me, but I can see why it would to others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Satarn View Post
    NIN's dps output is a completely separate issue though
    I wonder how much of NIN's shortfalls is due to community issues of fearmongering over remembered days of "mandatory NIN" or some players still overvaluing rDPS on principle (despite its actual precisely calculated values still placing NIN far lower than it, historically and by what criteria have been most reliable indicators over time, deserves to be)... We've recently seen Bards, BLMs, and SAMs get far nearer to where we've expected of them, with SAM regularly staying within the top 4 rDPS for Extremes and Bard entering the span from time to time (though that's only when in high-performing parties), but it doesn't seem like NINs have seen that climb. I'm not sure there's much, if any, player error left to correct; the difference may just really be too damn low of potencies.
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