So you're telling me..

[Ransu]

RPR so far is for savage prog groups is basically mandatory, that's how good they are right now with both dps and utility. Red mage is always in a prog group because of easy rez access. None of the prog groups seem to care about NIN TA attack anymore and the flex slot seems to be basically either mnk or sam. I think I only saw Happy's group with a DRG.

[Kazimere]

RPR so far is for savage prog groups is basically mandatory, that's how good they are right now with both dps and utility. Red mage is always in a prog group because of easy rez access. None of the prog groups seem to care about NIN TA attack anymore and the flex slot seems to be basically either mnk or sam. I think I only saw Happy's group with a DRG.

Reaper is popular. Then again, so is Sage. It's not blowing Samurai out of the water though. 1.5% above Samurai in rDPS. 1.5%. 3% behind in aDPS. Seems pretty balanced to me. Additionally, monk is the top dog. Not reaper.

[ZiraZ]

Reaper is popular. Then again, so is Sage. It's not blowing Samurai out of the water though. 1.5% above Samurai in rDPS. 1.5%. 3% behind in aDPS. Seems pretty balanced to me. Additionally, monk is the top dog. Not reaper.

lol

well one of these days you will say something that is not a complete lie, just a matter of time

[Akiudo]

lol

well one of these days you will say something that is not a complete lie, just a matter of time

pretty sure he meant performance, not participation. it's clearly overrepresented but really, compared to some of the more extreme overrepresantations in the past this IS fine.

mind you theres no reason for reaper with actual group support, (i.e. the heal, not dps buffs) to be over samurai without a group heal.

However, theres also no reason a class with dps buffs (purely talking dps buffs) can't offer equal raid dps compared to a "selfish" class, if anything if a class with raid dps buffs didn't actually offer higher RAID dps than the selfish class than having raid dps buffs in the first place would be a detriment. why use a class that does 10k and buffs the group for 500 if you can just take a class that does 11k by itself ?

[Kazimere]

pretty sure he meant performance, not participation. it's clearly overrepresented but really, compared to some of the more extreme overrepresantations in the past this IS fine.

mind you theres no reason for reaper (with actual group support, i.e. the heal, not dps buffs) to be over samurai without a group heal.

However, theres also no reason a class with dps buffs (purely talking dps buffs) can't offer equal raid dps compared to a "selfish" class, if anything if a class with raid dps buffs didn't actually offer higher RAID dps than the selfish class than having raid dps buffs in the first place would be a detriment. why use a class that does 10k and buffs the group for 500 if you can just take a class that does 11k by itself ?

She knows exactly what I meant. She's grasping at straws, or trying to move the goal post. I'm whatever about it. I trolled her a few days ago.

[Ransu]

pretty sure he meant performance, not participation. it's clearly overrepresented but really, compared to some of the more extreme overrepresantations in the past this IS fine.

mind you theres no reason for reaper with actual group support, (i.e. the heal, not dps buffs) to be over samurai without a group heal.

However, theres also no reason a class with dps buffs (purely talking dps buffs) can't offer equal raid dps compared to a "selfish" class, if anything if a class with raid dps buffs didn't actually offer higher RAID dps than the selfish class than having raid dps buffs in the first place would be a detriment. why use a class that does 10k and buffs the group for 500 if you can just take a class that does 11k by itself ?

Its over represented because its basically mandatory to have one in a prog group right now. RPR is over tuned and is doing way too much dps.

[Kazimere]

Its over represented because its basically mandatory to have one in a prog group right now. RPR is over tuned and is doing way too much dps.

You're like a broken record at this point. 1.5-2% on top in rDPS isn't over tuned. 2-3% behind in aDPS isn't over tuned. It's literally fourth on aDPS and second on rDPS.

[ZiraZ]

However, theres also no reason a class with dps buffs (purely talking dps buffs) can't offer equal raid dps compared to a "selfish" class, if anything if a class with raid dps buffs didn't actually offer higher RAID dps than the selfish class than having raid dps buffs in the first place would be a detriment. why use a class that does 10k and buffs the group for 500 if you can just take a class that does 11k by itself ?

That's fine the problem is when utility exists and the jobs with utility are still over the ones with zero utility, on the surface jobs like reaper and sam should do similar rDPS but then there should be an utility tax on top of that because reaper can shield themselves and heal the party, even after it's 50% nerf (lol) it's extremely good regardless of whatever the clowns in this forum say, I mean it's pretty obvious the ninja community has agreed there is absolutely no point in playing that job and it's basically dead in the water now, like I don't remember a job being this dead for this long now even after a small redesign patch, why play something that offers nothing and complexity that is heavily punished when you could instead play the autopilot job that has a better shade shift that heals the raid?

[Kazimere]

That's fine the problem is when utility exists and the jobs with utility are still over the ones with zero utility, on the surface jobs like reaper and sam should do similar rDPS but then there should be an utility tax on top of that because reaper can shield themselves and heal the party, even after it's 50% nerf (lol) it's extremely good regardless of whatever the clowns in this forum say, I mean it's pretty obvious the ninja community has agreed there is absolutely no point in playing that job and it's basically dead in the water now, like I don't remember a job being this dead for this long now even after a small redesign patch, why play something that offers nothing and complexity that is heavily punished when you could instead play the autopilot job that has a better shade shift that heals the raid?

So give the rest of the melee something. You're argument is weak. You're basically saying that Reaper should do the lowest because it's got a 250p regen for the group and the rest don't. Ain't no one bringing a Reaper to the raid for their shield. It's a cherry on top.

In the end, you're salty and butt hurt. We get it.

[ZiraZ]

So give the rest of the melee something. You're argument is weak. You're basically saying that Reaper should do the lowest because it's got a 250p regen for the group and the rest don't. Ain't no one bringing a Reaper to the raid for their shield. It's a cherry on top.

In the end, you're salty and butt hurt. We get it.

I think the argument is sound, 40 pages seem to represent I'm not the only one that thinks it's unfair and I may be salty but at least I'm not liar and an obfuscator .