Keep NFT out of FF14

[Mysticp]

Im pretty sure us as a people decide what is valuable.. not a bunch of scammers trying to peddle nonsense... but thanks. Also.. no one is buying it... You wouldn't be sitting here defending it THIS hard.. if you didnt have some kind of money in the game. Hilarious. "Its just a storage thing hyuk hyiuk!" Yeah.. no.. no one is stupid friend. Go peddle your wares elsewhere. This game doesnt need this trash.

You think people would get the hint after this crap failed with Ubisoft.

Exactly what is the issue? if you do not find it valuable then do not purchase it. If there is no demand there is no market. There are lots of products out there that I don't assign value to but that does not make it a scam. Everybody seems to be overly emotional regarding this. Once again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's a scam. Let's give an example. Say SE turned every outfit in the mogstation into an NFT tomorrow. SE did not add any cross game integration or trading, they simply made every item an NFT on the back end. Nothing would change for you. They could technically do it without you even knowing if no integrations or additional functionality were added. People need to separate their fear of a companies business practices from the underlying tech but that would require the mastery of one's emotions.

[Lihtleita]

Say SE turned every outfit in the mogstation into an NFT tomorrow. SE did not add any cross game integration or trading, they simply made every item an NFT on the back end. Nothing would change for you. They could technically do it without you even knowing if no integrations or additional functionality were added. People need to separate their fear of a companies business practices from the underlying tech but that would require the mastery of one's emotions.

I've asked you this before, what value would doing this add? being wasteful and pointless is enough reason to be against nfts, nevermind any of the other stuff that people are understanably concerned about.
Unless adding an nft improves a system enough to justify its addition, it has no business being added.

[ApolloGenX]

I have a bad feeling about NFTs from an ethical perspective.

For me, this is about a transaction that carries financial risk being introduced to a population (potentially kids) that does not fully understand the nature of the financial risks and could easily be fooled by the prospective upside.

This is an ethical issue imo, that really has no place in this game. Selling IP through the Mog Station is bad enough... but this is not a healthy addition to this game, imo.

[Mysticp]

I've asked you this before, what value would doing this add? being wasteful and pointless is enough reason to be against nfts, nevermind any of the other stuff that people are understandably concerned about.
Unless adding an nft improves a system enough to justify its addition, it has no business being added.

This is a good question and really depends on what route SE takes. NFT's can stored on chain or off chain. If SE decides so they could store the NFT on a non centralized SE sever and allow ownership of the items you purchase. This would be in agreement with SE similar to you being able to sell Magic cards if you buy them. This would allow you to keep the item in the event of a server shutdown.

Why would that matter? I can see people saying 'if the server shuts down then they have no value!'. This is incorrect. People like to collect things and not only that NFTs can have integrations outside of their originating game such as:

The ability for user generated content - SE mentioned this in their post when they mentioned 'play for fun' players. This was not a dig at the player base like many have said. From a company point of view they see players separated into two groups: Play for fun, Play to create/earn. It would be neat to have a talented artist submit an NFT outfit to SE and then be able to make a percentage of the sale for example. An NFT would be the best vehicle for this due to the ability to assign ownership and be separate from SE main items.

Cross game integrations: This could allow SE the ability to make it so that when you purchase an NFT, say an outfit, that outfit may provide you with a similar outfit in another game or the NFT might be able to be imported and broken down into crafting components in another game. SE could also work with other game dev's on integrations if they wanted to as well.

[Lihtleita]

This is a good question and really depends on what route SE takes. NFT's can stored on chain or off chain. If SE decides so they could store the NFT on a non centralized SE sever and allow ownership of the items you purchase. This would be in agreement with SE similar to you being able to sell Magic cards if you buy them. This would allow you to keep the item in the event of a server shutdown.

what use would such items be without the game they were hosted on? the same sentimental value could be achieved with a screenshot.

Cross game integrations: This could allow SE the ability to make it so that when you purchase an NFT, say an outfit, that outfit may provide you with a similar outfit in another game or the NFT might be able to be imported and broken down into crafting components in another game. SE could also work with other game dev's on integrations if they wanted to as well.

this can actually already be done with item codes. item codes you can also gift people if you so choose. item codes that can be limited for that sweet FOMO dopamine.
why would nfts be worth the investment if we already have technology that does the exact same thing?

[Mysticp]

what use would such items be without the game they were hosted on? the same sentimental value could be achieved with a screenshot.



this can actually already be done with item codes. item codes you can also gift people if you so choose. item codes that can be limited for that sweet FOMO dopamine.
why would nfts be worth the investment if we already have technology that does the exact same thing?

Why not just take a screenshot? Ask a digital artist how they feel about someone just screenshotting their work. Ownership matters. Nobody cares that you screenshotted something. If I develop a digital art piece you could for sure just come along and right click save, but so what? if I NFT my digital art It can be verified that this is indeed my original and future purchasers know they are buying the original.

About item codes: Item codes are just randomly generated codes from a central database (so no ownership and risk or closure). They are not unique and are frequently one time use items so user creation and trading are out. Also, they have no set standard in creation or format so implementation across games would be extremely difficult.

[Alaray]

Why not just take a screenshot? Ask a digital artist how they feel about someone just screenshotting their work. Ownership matters. Nobody cares that you screenshotted something. If I develop a digital art piece you could for sure just come along and right click save, but so what? if I NFT my digital art It can be verified that this is indeed my original and future purchasers know they are buying the original.

You say this as if art theft isn't prominent in the NFT community. People with baseless receipts of ownership, who do not in fact own anything, legally.

None of this is about art, it's about making money quickly before the speculatory investments stop.

[Miiu]

Why not just take a screenshot? Ask a digital artist how they feel about someone just screenshotting their work. Ownership matters. Nobody cares that you screenshotted something. If I develop a digital art piece you could for sure just come along and right click save, but so what? if I NFT my digital art It can be verified that this is indeed my original and future purchasers know they are buying the original.

About item codes: Item codes are just randomly generated codes from a central database (so no ownership and risk or closure). They are not unique and are frequently one time use items so user creation and trading are out. Also, they have no set standard in creation or format so implementation across games would be extremely difficult.

Good thing I am a digital artist and can tell you how I feel about it.
It sucks. People screenshotting/saving the images and using them as motives for tshirts/cups/bags and other merch sucks. Seeing people show up with your work in their portfolio during a job interview is a frustrating process.
And it won't go away unless we have better and modern copyright laws. And stores who accept random images who actually give a shit about copyrights.

But and here is the kicker. NFTs don't solve that. You have the same thing going on with NFTs. People stealing/screenshotting/saving art and make an NFT ouf ot that and then sell that for whatever amount of money.

Edit:
"About item codes: Item codes are just randomly generated codes from a central database (so no ownership and risk or closure). They are not unique and are frequently one time use items so user creation and trading are out. Also, they have no set standard in creation or format so implementation across games would be extremely difficult. "
And again NFTs here don't make the process easier. Additionally random item implementation across different franchises makes almost zero sense. Except for specific events. Because it places a burden on the developer for having to manually remake/alter/adding whatever item you add because of the differences in game engines / art style / proportions / rigging etc.
Secondly you already need to have an account with almost every major game publisher when playing their games. There is nothing stopping them from sending a checkmark to their own servers when playing game X to mark you down as owning item X Y and Z. And then give you a similar item or something else in a different game of theirs.

[Rhais]

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Did you join the forum just to run damage control for SE?

[Lihtleita]

Why not just take a screenshot? Ask a digital artist how they feel about someone just screenshotting their work.

I actually am a digital artist. As long as people dont repost my work or heaven forbid mint an nft of it, I don't mind what they do, be it screenshot, make it their phone background or set it as a profile picture. This wasn't the best example you could have given.

About item codes: Item codes are just randomly generated codes from a central database (so no ownership and risk or closure). They are not unique and are frequently one time use items so user creation and trading are out. Also, they have no set standard in creation or format so implementation across games would be extremely difficult.

Implementation across games is difficult anyway due to game engines and character scaling not being uniform.
Lets say in ff11 i had a hat. Even if that exact same hat were transferred to ff14, it wouldnt work correctly and SE would need to have the asset remade from scratch, or at the very least altered/rescaled, essentially creating two identical but different items. Far from the unique nft ideal.
If youre proposing SE use the same engine for every game for the sake of maintaining and honoring the promise of nft transfer, I have a fun historical example for you in crystal tools. Everybody loved crystal tools right? Never caused any massive game delays or flops.