Keep NFT out of FF14

[Ransu]

Yet. /10chars

Nah, it already fell lol.

[Mordrick]

Honestly I think we'll see them in future SE mobile games before they'll even be entertained as an idea here. At least I hope so. I hate so much that these NFTs have become a thing....

[Mysticp]

I've read quite a few of the anti NFT posts and they all boil down to the following arguments:

1. NFT'S are bad because they will be used to monetize the game in greedy ways.
A) A company that is greedy and doesn't care about it's users will always find a way to work them over. Don't blame the technology for bad business practices. NFT's are just digital containers. I get the lack of trust in game companies but once again this has nothing to do with the tech. You can make the slippery slope argument here but that just makes you come across as a technophobe.

2. NFT's are bad because they have no value or are a scam
A) one of the worst arguments. An NFT is just a digital container. It can be used to contain any digital item. From art to identity documents. The value of an NFT depends if there is a market. This is true for any goods that exists in a market. Something having a market and being subject to supply and demand does not make it a scam, just a tradeable good like everything else.

3. NFT's are bad because people think they will get rich quick
A) This has nothing to do with NFT's. People think they can make it rich by selling any good that has a market. This has nothing to do with the underlying technology. People have free will to think what they want.

4. NFTs' will never work because SE won't release the copyright
A) If SE was interested in doing NFT's they would sit down with their lawyers and amend the EULA. NFT's would be done with their permission. Nobody has to release any copyright.

5. NFT's are bad because you don't own anything, the company does.
A) This is dependent on the blockchain used to create the NFT. If that NFT exists on chain and not a centralized SE server then you would have ownership once purchased. What's nuts about this argument is that people have no problem sinking $100's into mogstation that is centrally controlled. Suddenly ownership matters when it comes to NFT's. lol.

6. NFT's are bad because they are bad for the environment
A) Just no, does anybody really believe this?

[ItMe]

6. NFT's are bad because they are bad for the environment
A) Just no, does anybody really believe this?

Yes, because just like literally everything utilizing the blockchain it is fundamentally unsustainable.
You can try and dismiss the fact with a wave of your hand a a casual "does anybody really believe this," but that doesn't really address or disprove any aspect of the argument.

If you have data indicating NFTs don't guzzle unconscionable amounts of energy please for the love of God share it and end my nightmares.

[SamsaraTrickstar]

Honestly I think we'll see them in future SE mobile games before they'll even be entertained as an idea here. At least I hope so. I hate so much that these NFTs have become a thing....

Well morons get scammed is nothing new.

[Miiu]

@Mysticp

You forgot they add nothing of value to the gaming experience. All suggested implementations(at least the realistic ones) can already be achieved without any blockchain technology.
And you might have brushed this off as a bad argument but history has shown that loot boxes and other gacha/microtransaction mechanics those can easily overtake the game experience by compromising the game developers intent in order to make more money via scummy means.


Also can we please stop saying that the NFT contains any actual data like artwork/videos/or game assets? NFTs are just the token that include the metadata recoreded on the blockchain. Anything it might point to or reference is stored somewhere else.

[Mysticp]

Yes, because just like literally everything utilizing the blockchain it is fundamentally unsustainable.
You can try and dismiss the fact with a wave of your hand a a casual "does anybody really believe this," but that doesn't really address or disprove any aspect of the argument.

If you have data indicating NFTs don't guzzle unconscionable amounts of energy please for the love of God share it and end my nightmares.

What? Creating NFT's on the blockchain has zero environmental impact. Are you confusing minting NFT's with Crypto mining? They are not the same thing. Also, you say this while being able to play FFXIV on either PC or console which did an have environmental impact in their creation. Fake activism needs to stop.

[Mysticp]

@Mysticp

You forgot they add nothing of value to the gaming experience. All suggested implementations(at least the realistic ones) can already be achieved without any blockchain technology.
And you might have brushed this off as a bad argument but history has shown that loot boxes and other gacha/microtransaction mechanics those can easily overtake the game experience by compromising the game developers intent in order to make more money via scummy means.


Also can we please stop saying that the NFT contains any actual data like artwork/videos/or game assets? NFTs are just the token and that token lives on the chain. Anything else is stored somewhere else.

I can see the skepticism in the possible use case scenarios for NFT's. However, until we try any guess of what is realistic or not is just a guess, nobody knows. Can it be exploited? Of course it can but once again, company practices have nothing to do with the underlying tech.

[ItMe]

What? Creating NFT's on the blockchain has zero environmental impact. Are you confusing minting NFT's with Crypto mining? They are not the same thing.

In order to interact edit "blocks" on the blockchain (say, by buying/selling an NFT) the blockchain still asks computers to solve a series of intense puzzles that, while the computer chugs and struggles with them, take intense amounts of energy to solve.

Crypto currency might take more energy, but anything that uses the block chain must engage with this terribly wasteful process. One that has had its puzzle difficulty scale with improvements in computing power in order to keep the system secure, which in turn keeps the system from ever being sustainable.

[Miiu]

I can see the skepticism in the possible use case scenarios for NFT's. However, until we try any guess of what is realistic or not is just a guess, nobody knows. Can it be exploited? Of course it can but once again, company practices have nothing to do with the underlying tech.

Okay let's roll this up differently then.
With how much negativity is floating around NFTs especially in the gaming space why would any company openly introduce their plans to adopt the technology for future games. If the technology is so great and open mindblowing possibilities why are the developers and game designers are being left in the dark before these announcements are made?
Example in this case: Ubisoft.

Those announcements are not made for "gamers". They're made for possible investors and shareholders and anyone who hopes to make some money through NFTs.

Every time when pressed on what benefit the technology behind NFTs will bring to games the people in charge use buzz words like: metaverse web 3.0 and blockchain as if that would mean anything to the average gamer.
Heck look alone in this thread. A lot of people don't even know what NFTs are. And we can assume that people on this forum are more informed than your usual casual gamer who just buys a game in the store and doesn't engage with the community.

Those people will be the most lost and preyed upon because all the marketing material that is out there doesn't spell out the whole truth and in cases again like Ubisoft is unlisted from youtube while the implementation is still accessible.
Additionally the nft bro crowd keeps spearheading the arguments of "owning something from the game you love and how you can resell it for even more money than you bought it"
And that is what most people see on social media. There is nothing effectively being done to show any other avenues besides a get rich scheme.
Everything about this trend screams shady.