So you're telling me..

[Navnav]

Ok this echo chamber / Hivemind type stuff you all exhibit is far beyond my comprehension. I'm just a simple CS teacher from the ends, so imma duck out for a bit.

[Drkdays]

Funny enough, no. I've not had jury duty, but as I pointed out in my Edit (which is just made, so no fault on you), informed opinions are the closest we get to being objective in our opinions. Being objective implies the lack of feelings or opinion, so hence why it seems oxymoronic.

I can get behind that.

[Kolsykol]

Ok this echo chamber / Hivemind type stuff you all exhibit is far beyond my comprehension. I'm just a simple CS teacher from the ends, so imma duck out for a bit.

Being a contrarian doesn't make you correct or special.
Especially not when you have literally nothing at all to back up anything that you say and add nothing of value or even bother to inform yourself of what's actually being said.

All you ever do is come into threads and say the most contrarian stuff ever and then are all like '' omg why are u guys disagreeing with me help I am being attacked ''.
And I mean I'd say that it's you arguing for a hivemind or echo chamber here because it's you trying to argue that people you disagree with shouldn't be talking about things unless you care about them or agree with it.
And maybe there is an actual reason why there is a wide consensus on certain things and it's not because you're the most brilliant mind in all of existence who just happen to have the correct views every time with zero effort.
Perhaps you're actually just wrong and uninformed.

[LunarEmerald]

I think reaper's damage is a bit too high. Good samurais should always beat them.

I feel dps damage wise should be: samurai > monk = reaper > dragoon > ninja = black mage > summoner > red mage > machinist > bard > dancer

[ZiraZ]

I think reaper's damage is a bit too high. Good samurais should always beat them.

I feel dps damage wise should be: samurai > monk = reaper > dragoon > ninja = black mage > summoner > red mage > machinist > bard > dancer

samurai > dragoon = ninja > black mage > monk > reaper > summoner > red mage > machinist > bard > dancer
rDPS speaking
makes more sense to me after monk and reaper pay some of their utility cost

[LunarEmerald]

samurai > dragoon = ninja > black mage > monk > reaper > summoner > red mage > machinist > bard > dancer
makes more sense to me after monk and reaper pay some of their utility cost

dragoon is the melee with the most support damage buffs and trick attack is the still the biggest damage increase in the game. There's a reason why the devs keep ninja as the weakest melee.

Even if you argue reaper's arcane circle is on par with battle litany, dragoon can still partner up with somebody else to increase their damage by 5%. It's like a weaker dance partner since it's not permanent but still provides a good boost..
Trick attack is a 5% damage increase to the entire party (regardless how far apart they are) with a much better uptime than arcane circle.

[ZiraZ]

dragoon is the melee with the most support damage buffs and trick attack is the still the biggest damage increase in the game. There's a reason why the devs keep ninja as the weakest melee.

damage buffs are not utility

[Insertusernamehere]

samurai > dragoon = ninja > black mage > monk > reaper > summoner > red mage > machinist > bard > dancer
makes more sense to me after monk and reaper pay some of their utility cost

Just curious why MCH must have LOW dps than red mage? I haven't tried MCH on this expansion they have more utility now?

[LunarEmerald]

damage buffs are not utility

Damage buffs come with the biggest penalty to damage. That's how it's always worked in this game. The more damage support you provide, the weaker your personal damage will be.

[LunarEmerald]

Just curious why MCH must have LOW dps than red mage? I haven't tried MCH on this expansion they have more utility now?

Physical range should always be below magical range because they have 100% free movement. Red mage has nowhere near the mobility of physical range.