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    The second trial normal mode is about on par in difficulty with Shiva extreme when it was new. Story mode fights have come a long way in difficulty since ARR.

    Very similar too where you have to watch which weapons she switches to know which attack is coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    The second trial normal mode is about on par in difficulty with Shiva extreme when it was new. Story mode fights have come a long way in difficulty since ARR.

    Very similar too where you have to watch which weapons she switches to know which attack is coming.


    No it isn't.

    Shiva EX, while among the easiest EX fights of ARR, is still quite a step above the second trial boss of normal. First and foremost, she absolutely shredded tanks back then. Which certainly isn't the case for any of the Endwalker normal modes. None of the story fights even come remotely close to EX difficulty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post


    No it isn't.

    Shiva EX, while among the easiest EX fights of ARR, is still quite a step above the second trial boss of normal. First and foremost, she absolutely shredded tanks back then. Which certainly isn't the case for any of the Endwalker normal modes. None of the story fights even come remotely close to EX difficulty.
    Not in terms of healing output and needing to tank swap but in terms of awareness to know which attack is coming and the damage dealt to non tanks. She can kill non tanks very easy if you screw up. Shiva didn't even have a instant death wall. Just the freeze wall. Which was forgiving even if you screwed up the stand still part. If you get hit by any of her weapon attacks with 1 vul stack as a dps/healer, you're pretty much dead. If you stand in the wrong spot for her spear attack, she can kill you instantly even at 0 stacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    Not in terms of healing output and needing to tank swap but in terms of awareness to know which attack is coming and the damage dealt to non tanks. She can kill non tanks very easy if you screw up. Shiva didn't even have a instant death wall. Just the freeze wall. Which was forgiving even if you screwed up the stand still part.
    How hard is Red In Green Out Blue Corners for Trial #2 to understand? Not only that, but Trial #2 shouldn't even be in this discussion, because you can use the Trust to do it. That makes it literally a cakewalk. Pick a scion and just follow them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont View Post
    How hard is Red In Green Out Blue Corners for Trial #2 to understand? Not only that, but Trial #2 shouldn't even be in this discussion, because you can use the Trust to do it. That makes it literally a cakewalk. Pick a scion and just follow them.
    I never said it was hard. I said it was about on par with Shiva extreme. Which is considered one of the easiest extremes.

    I also don't get why everybody goes by the color. Why not go by the weapon buff on her bar? It's always visible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    I never said it was hard. I said it was about on par with Shiva extreme. Which is considered one of the easiest extremes.

    I also don't get why everybody goes by the color. Why not go by the weapon buff on her bar? It's always visible.
    Color indicators are larger, rotate around her model, and easier to see versus searching for a debuff, in my opinion.

    I still wouldn’t put the level 89 normal mode trial on par with any Extreme trial. No matter how easy they were on release. Because it simply isn’t anywhere near Extreme levels of difficulty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    I never said it was hard. I said it was about on par with Shiva extreme. Which is considered one of the easiest extremes.

    I also don't get why everybody goes by the color. Why not go by the weapon buff on her bar? It's always visible.
    But it still doesn't negate the fact that the OP and many others are literally complaining for a "brain dead easy clear", and Trial #2 gives you just that, a brain dead easy clear, with the Trusts. It's the only trial in the game that does this. It cannot possibly be any easier.

    1) Pick a scion that matches your role. Melee, physical, tank, healer, whatever.
    2) Stick to them like glue
    3) Win the trial

    Difficulty of it is a moot point, because a trust version exists.

    And guess what? That "easy clear" has consequences, because they refuse to pay attention during it and it doesn't prepare any of them for it popping up in duty finder, and then they tank the floor. Repeatedly. Over and over. Every. Time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkenaeuxBelmont View Post
    But it still doesn't negate the fact that the OP and many others are literally complaining for a "brain dead easy clear", and Trial #2 gives you just that, a brain dead easy clear, with the Trusts. It's the only trial in the game that does this. It cannot possibly be any easier.

    1) Pick a scion that matches your role. Melee, physical, tank, healer, whatever.
    2) Stick to them like glue
    3) Win the trial

    Difficulty of it is a moot point, because a trust version exists.

    And guess what? That "easy clear" has consequences, because they refuse to pay attention during it and it doesn't prepare any of them for it popping up in duty finder, and then they tank the floor. Repeatedly. Over and over. Every. Time.
    Relying on trusts is what causes people to wipe so many times when it comes up in DF. Trusts are good to help you learn the fight but not good to rely entirely on them and not learn how the fight works. I agree. I had that experience tonight. The grouped wiped so many times, people left and had to refill. They kept dying to the weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    The second trial normal mode is about on par in difficulty with Shiva extreme when it was new. Story mode fights have come a long way in difficulty since ARR.

    Very similar too where you have to watch which weapons she switches to know which attack is coming.
    I think you're severely underrepresenting shiva EX. There's zero need to watch the weapon in the 89 trial since every attack is accompanied by a very visible telegraph.
    The 89 trial has no forced tank swaps, no untelegraphed busters, no untelegraphed group soaks. Even the 2 person tank soak can easily be taken alone.
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