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    Well, totally agree with the PA here.
    I can listen, I can try to be reasonable, and I can have the patience to hold my statment until I know all the information about anything. But there are red lines and NFTs and similar crypto-scams are one of those. Put those things even near the FFXIV logo, I'm out, never to come again. Is that simple. I don't want that stuff into anything I play, and I don't want to talk about it, or discuss it. If NFTs are in, I'm out. Period. And while not many may share my, let's say "strong" opinion about... That stuff, I'm sure I'm not the only one who will GTFO of the game if NFTs become even near it.
    "But don't you want to make money out fo your hobby?" - NO, I DON'T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shibi View Post
    Quite a few sell "land" on NFT. That's single use ownership.

    I am sure some of the housing primals would adore FFXIV housing to be NFT based, the free trade and RMT for tokens would make them a mint.
    Decentraland and Sandbox are marketplaces/storefronts/whatever you want to call them, and the entire premise behind them is stupid. Which to the point Decentraland has a volume of 333M$ but are only worth 3.32$ and Sandbox has a volume of 726M$ and is only worth 5.90$.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticp View Post
    SE has plans for NFT's that much is clear. NFT are just digital containers. They can contain, art, documents, etc. If Sony made every item in the Mogstore an NFT how would your gameplay be negatively impacted? It wouldn't. You would just see someone running around in an outfit like you do today. NFT's stay on the blockchain not SE's severs. They cannot be taken from you once purchased. SE, if they wanted to could enable interactivity with other games using NFT's or allow users to create items for sale with their approval.

    All you would see is people running around with different outfits. There is an association amongst gamers that NFT's are somehow inherently bad or greedy. They are simply digital containers. What most people are doing is putting the fear that they will be exploited on NFT's instead of with the company's business practices. An untrustworthy shady company will always be just that. NFT's have nothing to do with it.
    Digital containers where the only value of the currency is digital, with no tangible reflection to the actual money you use to buy food, shelter or heat except for what you spend to buy the consistently devalued currency.
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    Last edited by dapperfaffer; 01-03-2022 at 10:26 AM.

  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by dapperfaffer View Post
    Decentraland and Sandbox are marketplaces/storefronts/whatever you want to call them, and the entire premise behind them is stupid. Which to the point Decentraland has a volume of 333M$ but are only worth 3.32$ and Sandbox has a volume of 726M$ and is only worth 5.90$.


    Digital containers where the only value of the currency is digital, with no tangible reflection to the actual money you use to buy food, shelter or heat except for what you spend to buy the consistently devalued currency.
    On Decentraland and Sandbox: Marketcap is just circulating supply x price. Something having a low price per share does not mean it's bad. Performance is not measured by price per share but in increase in price per share.

    On the response to my comment: NFT's don't have to have a value but if a market exists they will. The value doesn't have to be in digital currency, you could use regular money if you wanted to purchase them as well. Things with no tangible reflection to food/shelter/heat are commonly referred to as 'Wants' lots of people spend money of things that they 'Want and don't 'Need'.
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    Unless a majority of players (payers) actually voice and act on their disapproval of this concept, it'll just get pushed through regardless, and normalized. Time will tell.
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    What the hell is goin on? Why's everyone losing their shit?
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    Please no NFT on 14! Youll break the game just like wow did!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruka_R View Post
    What the hell is goin on? Why's everyone losing their shit?
    Square is intending bring NFT to 14 and other games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruka_R View Post
    What the hell is goin on? Why's everyone losing their shit?
    SE CEO made a press release supporting NFT's. Gamers watched a reaction video by Asmongold where he Boomered out and thought NFT's would somehow ruin the game. It's all very silly. No mention of even putting NFTs into FF14 was even made.
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    Player dapperfaffer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticp View Post
    On Decentraland and Sandbox: Marketcap is just circulating supply x price. Something having a low price per share does not mean it's bad. Performance is not measured by price per share but in increase in price per share.
    So for relative comparison Bitcoin is worth 45k and has a volume of 43B and the second highest is Ethereum at 3.8k with a volume of 9.9B. Volume and price per share matters since what you are buying when you buy a NFT is the coin itself. So yes, price per share matters a great deal when the only thing inflating the value of the NFT or crypto currency is the real world value of the Dollar/Yen/Rubel/Pound/pick your currency. Also using Decentraland and Sandbox both have poor YTD. with an average loss of value at about 50%.

    On the response to my comment: NFT's don't have to have a value but if a market exists they will. The value doesn't have to be in digital currency, you could use regular money if you wanted to purchase them as well. Things with no tangible reflection to food/shelter/heat are commonly referred to as 'Wants' lots of people spend money of things that they 'Want and don't 'Need'.
    Performance of a stock is directly tied to its price per share. The more shares in circulation that aren't being purchased are sitting in asset allocation to the company that released them. Shares don't just float around in limbo.

    NFTs have a value. Its the amount of real actual tangible money invested into the NFT that generates the NFT asset. To simplify its the real world dollars invested that create the value of the NFT. Thats why you have to buy into them and have them purchased by others in order for them to have value, and thats why they have per share price and volume.
    Because they need to have a value, otherwise they are worthless, and that value needs to be in digital currency since its already being back by currency as its asset and ​having the option to spend money normally as you can now against something like an NFT would massively devalue the NFT in its market place.

    But to clarify, food/shelter/heat were examples of things tangible assets get you. Not the intangible asset of an NFT that could be used to purchase something in game.
    Or as the CEO of SE stated it "players who want to have fun" and "players who want to contribute".

    Either way I'm done with this because I'm just getting angry reading you go in nonsensical rhythms to justify what is a Ponzi scheme. Best of luck to you trying to convert your NFTs into tangible finances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DefeatedYMIR View Post
    Dear FF14 developers. If you don't want your game to end up like WoW (mass player exodus) Keep NFTs out of FF14.

    Yoshi-P please don't let SE force you to put NFT in FF. My faith is in you.
    I wasn't aware NFTs caused the down fall of WoW, that's new one, care to prove that? Oh wait you can't.
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