Parsing unfair but okay?

[DrFlesh]

how, though?

"entitled mentality"

[AbysmalDuck]

Their PF, their rules. Don’t like it, then join another or make your own that doesn’t require logs. Simple. It’s not anyone’s business to question what a party leader does with the PF they create.

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

[Eriane_Elis]

Since this was brought up.

Terms of Service:

Behavior that disrupts the game balance

Square Enix strictly prohibits the use of third-party programs or tools as these disrupt the balance of the game. Third-party programs and tools that permit automated or "absentee" play are prohibited. A Game Master (GM) may speak to players to investigate and confirm "absentee" play, and if the player continues with this behavior, contrary to the GM's instructions, they will be treated as participating in "absentee" play and subject to penalties.

Accordingly, the following activities are prohibited:

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.

- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

Once again, why do you feel the need to be a snitch? I'll say it again, nobody likes / trusts snitches and it's morally wrong to be a snitch. This is why people adopted the don't ask don't tell policy and resort to using discord to talk about things that are against the ToS but even if they are against the ToS they aren't enforced unless there's a good reason why it should be. For instance, parsers are against the ToS but a lot of people use it, if not most people have asked to be part of a parse run. As long as people aren't griefing / ruining the experience for other players, then let it be. It's just a game. I would hope that you don't snitch on people in real life either, that would be pretty awful. Imagine being neighbors with someone who snitches on everything that you do wrong like keeping the grass slightly too high or build a deck without a permit. lol

[xxmiamorecadenza]

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

I mean are they wrong though? You pick who you want to be partied with at the end of the day when you set up a PF. And if they don’t meet those expectations you’re within your right to kick them.

I think the party member who forces others to drag their carcass to a clear is more of a buzzkill than anything else.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

I mean are they wrong though? You pick who you want to be partied with at the end of the day when you set up a PF. And if they don’t meet those expectations you’re within your right to kick them.

This.

Plus, you have the option to put a min ilvl/Duty Completion or Duty Complete to further curate who you want with you.

Party Finder is all about the freedom of picking a team to your liking.

[Liam_Harper]

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

Why, exactly?

"If you don't like log runs, join one of the countless groups that don't care, or make your own with whatever requirements you like" couldn't be more fair or reasonable. What is your reasoning for disliking it?

[Rilifane]

Just reading your responses thus far, I hope I never have the displeasure of being partied with you. What a buzzkill.

If anything, it's the other way around: they accept that the person setting up the PF sets the rule. Even if they're completely arbitrary and don't make sense like "lala only" or "green glams only".
And everyone has the same right. You could set up a PF asking for a carry and it's just as fine as a PF asking for 90+ logs for a speedrun.
Nobody is forced to join nor is anybody excluded from anything because they can set up a PF to their liking anytime they want.

So if you don't like logs, don't join a PF or static that values them. Plenty of them out there, no reason to be the buzzkill and go by anything else than "your PF/ static, your rules".

[MadeOfMush]

SE and the dev's messaging indicates that parsing is definitely against TOS but they don't ask questions as long as it doesn't impact other player's gaming experience. If statics are openly demanding parses to join, then that to me is going against the spirit of "not letting it impact other player's gaming experiences." While players can make their own parties with their own requirements, that is not a great excuse given that parses are impeding player's enjoyment of FFXIV. If I were SE I would not want the player base split between parsers and non-parsers, especially since console players have trouble parsing, accessing and managing their logs, etc.

If these groups keep their identities anonymous, whatever. But if they're advertising in-game, I would definitely report them. You can parse for yourself, imposing parsing on anyone else is against the TOS. If I was required to do something illegal to join your group, the problem isn't me, it's your group's requirements.

[AbysmalDuck]

A lot of people quoted me and instead of responding to each one, it wasn't the specific post I quoted that I'm commenting on. I'm commenting on the totality of responses I've read. If you want to kick people out of your PF, that is fine. You are within your rights as it isn't against ToS. Does it make you a beacon of the community? Absolutely not.

I also find the people that want to be carried a buzzkill as well, but unfortunately, that is the mentality in a lot of society. "C41", I'll sneak in and make it C42. Unsynced mount farm, eh, what is a few deaths? I've seen so much. I even made a PF saying I'd kick people for not knowing Tsukuyomi mechs when farming for materials.

The only reason I've been watching this thread is because I do agree with people who say that parsing should not be used to gatekeep people. Unfortunately, as I've came back from my first time leaving the game, I've started to realize again the reasons I left and it is a little disappointing with how this community behaves.

[Risvertasashi]

SE and the dev's messaging indicates that parsing is definitely against TOS but they don't ask questions as long as it doesn't impact other player's gaming experience. If statics are openly demanding parses to join, then that to me is going against the spirit of "not letting it impact other player's gaming experiences." While players can make their own parties with their own requirements, that is not a great excuse given that parses are impeding player's enjoyment of FFXIV. If I were SE I would not want the player base split between parsers and non-parsers, especially since console players have trouble parsing, accessing and managing their logs, etc.

If these groups keep their identities anonymous, whatever. But if they're advertising in-game, I would definitely report them. You can parse for yourself, imposing parsing on anyone else is against the TOS. If I was required to do something illegal to join your group, the problem isn't me, it's your group's requirements.

They don't advertise in game, so, the posts talking about PF are a bit out of touch; PF's not where the issue is.

As for statics, well. Yeah, having a record of your performance (whether or not said player runs a parser) is often a requirement and pretty important. But, before putting all the blame on players, it's worth noting SE continually puts very strict DPS checks in the game.

So it's a bit catch-22 - "You can't complete these encounters unless you do good DPS, but you can't know how you're doing unless you turn to that horrible no good illegal third party software or someone else who has it."