Parsing unfair but okay?

[millktea]

While the game has enrages, they are not as tight as you're letting on.

You can clear savage technically with grey/green damage.

You can kill ultimate just being mediocre (that means basic understanding just hitting buttons on CD. Jobs are even easier now, so as long as you have burst every 2 minutes you'll be ok. You can read the TP and get a basic understanding.

Problem is, in HW it was EXTREMELY don't ask don't tell. Now you literally have PFs that actually tell you it's a parse and enforce 90 to 95+ (that's 2 strikes btw)

I'm on average in the purple to orange range (blue with no gear at all in late tier, obviously)

Parsing is 100% hindering the experience of the game. Even worse if you're a console player. Devs know they are at a disadvantage. Clearing and doing good damage isn't enough.

FFlogs needs to go away, tbh. Parse is fine. FFlogs is not.

Like its against tos. Plain and simple. The reason why SE doesn't necessarily go after you is privacy, as in, they won't look into your account to find it.

But making a post of PF that you're parsing? Mentioning that you have it in the chat box? You can get suspended for it as its against tos.

Discord required? Same thing (requiring discord is ableist, btw).

[Liam_Harper]

Problem is, in HW it was EXTREMELY don't ask don't tell. Now you literally have PFs that actually tell you it's a parse and enforce 90 to 95+ (that's 2 strikes btw)

Parsing is 100% hindering the experience of the game.

I would see this as a problem if it was how all groups were. But in my experience log groups are a tiny fraction of PF and the rest are just normal groups that don't even glance at logs or care. The log groups are just doing their own thing in the corner and want to chase high ranks for fun because they cleared the tier and there's nothing else to raid for. There's no reason to suspend them, they aren't invading practice groups and harassing people. Let them be and join the normal groups.

Statics too, there are some that demand logs because their group is performance focused and many that don't care. Join the ones that don't care.

[Undeadfire]

While the game has enrages, they are not as tight as you're letting on.

You can clear savage technically with grey/green damage.

Depends on weekly, but grey/green on 1st/2nd week Savage raid clears isn't happening, you won't even beat 2nd/3rd floor.

Problem is, in HW it was EXTREMELY don't ask don't tell. Now you literally have PFs that actually tell you it's a parse and enforce 90 to 95+ (that's 2 strikes btw)

90-95 isn't hard to do with plenty of effort, saying "you have real life" is a pathetic excuse, it's only RNG on 99-100.

I'm on average in the purple to orange range (blue with no gear at all in late tier, obviously)

Sir, if you're going to claim, at least don't hide your background. I am a 95-99 parsing player.

Parsing is 100% hindering the experience of the game. Even worse if you're a console player. Devs know they are at a disadvantage. Clearing and doing good damage isn't enough.

My tank partner plays PS5 and operates 95-99 logs no issue, it's the player not the system, there is no way to shut off parses, SE learned the hard way.

needs to go away, tbh. Parse is fine. FFlogs is not.

FFlogs exist to measure with other players, optimise performance in raids, speed run, etc, etc.

Like its against tos. Plain and simple. The reason why SE doesn't necessarily go after you is privacy, as in, they won't look into your account to find it.

They don't go after it because it's not their property, nor is the code. They cannot look into players PCs "BE-CAUSE it's against countries human rights laws".

But making a post of PF that you're parsing? Mentioning that you have it in the chat box? You can get suspended for it as its against tos.

Discord required? Same thing (requiring discord is ableist, btw).

Why are you so uptight with this? Seriously, your complaints are mute and will never happen in your life time and further. Classic MMO times, people used Ventrillo, Teamspeak for voice chats on PC. They're not asking you to talk on Discord, they're asking you to be on voice so you can listen in, voice talking strategies are 3x faster than typing it all.

[RobynDaBank]

(requiring discord is ableist, btw).

P-Pardon...?

[RitsukoSonoda]

Another of these threads that basically amount to people making excuses as to why they don't or shouldn't follow rules they don't like or find inconvenient.

[Bellsong]

What parses can tell you: A very general overview of how well a person knows how play their job, their grip of the opener/s, their average DPS across several fights to see for consistency.

What a parse can't tell you: A persons temperament under stress, how quickly or slowly they learn a new mechanic or adapt to change, how well they can communicate an idea, how they fit in with the group as a whole.

It's perfectly fair for a static to want parses upfront, they can't tell you everything about the player, but it can at least tell you quickly and effectively if they have the technical skill to meet the groups goals. But it's definitely not the only thing that matters in a static. Even if you have incredible parses if you don't fit in with the group, you probably won't be staying very long.

More often than not if things become toxic over DPS it's because there was a miscommunication of expectations. Not because a tool is displaying the reality of numbers.

[SaberMaxwell]

For trying to get into a midcore static or above, your FFLogs is like your resume. For better or for worse it's a good first impression you make on a group you're going to be promising a lot of time to, and in turn they're promising a lot of time to you. The trial process takes a lot of time, usually several raid days (read for some groups: weeks) and because of that filtering for a specific kind of player is very helpful for reducing the amount of time trialing.

Most midcore and up will follow up FFLogs research with an interview and a few trials. I've participated in more than a few trials both for my static and as a stand in for a friend's group, many in Ultimate itself, to see how people get along. For our own purposes because we prefer to go blind on prog, we test the trial player's ability to puzzle through mechanics and ability to communicate effectively moreso than their actual parsing ability, but that's not a universal thing.

If you're denied a static, you're not denied content. You are always able to pug extreme and Savage content, and there are communities dedicated to pugging even Ultimate content. No, being denied a static means being denied other people's time, and being saved from wasting yours.

Square Enix can never and will never force players to get along with each other. Chances are that if you were denied at stage 1 of the process like that you wouldn't enjoy being in that group's presence either.

[van_arn]

I like the system we currently have. Improve with yourself and friends, never mention them to randos, and show your card if you want to join a static— if that static wants to see them.

It’s all completely reasonable and only becomes an issue if you feel you’re owed a spot in a static or would be unbearable for others in more “casual” content, even if that “casual” content were lower floors of savage.

[Airforlife]

To the thread creator: if you want to join mc/hig-end raiding static is quite natural they will want logs. And not only for damage numbers but also, mitigation usage, cd usage if you are healer/tank etc. Thats how it works nowadays, you actually have to proof your worth if you want to join high-end static. And there is no toxicity in it, its just natural recruitment process. And from my experience, I used to play on playstation and always had plenty of parses to look at so I can only guess you came into game quite late last tier, hence dont have any logs. Best bet would be just to try to explain to the recruiter your situation and still ask for the trial. My personal opinion about parsers, its amazing addition to the game, infact, I would probably wouldnt ejoy ffxiv that much if it wouldnt be for parsers. And to confirm, have never harrased anyone due to parsing numbers nor recieved a harrasment myself. Actually, managed to meet amazing people in my ffxiv journey only, because of the parsing ability. So yeah, if parser being used to harrass other people I agree, its horrible and it shouldnt be used that way but anyone who has been part of raiding community wouldnt do that anyway.

[AtlasS]

Lmao these replies.

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