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  1. #121
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    AbysmalDuck's Avatar
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    Abysmal Duck
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    Adamantoise
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    In my experience, the vast majority of the people I encounter who gloat about rescue and using it to save 'stupid' people are bad at the game, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near that ability.

    I can't even count the amount of times I've been rescue'd into a deadly aoe or had my rotation ruined for no reason while playing BLM by some healer that is already struggling to even keep their GCD rolling, let alone do mechanics for other people.

    There are exceptions, but they are so few that I think putting a toggle on the ability would be great.
    Agree 100% here. There are fights I've done hundreds of times where I know a KB is coming, but on BLM I'm squeezing out that last F4 before moving. Don't plan my movements for me. Also, people don't learn by getting yanked around. Let people fail, that is how they learn.

    Of course, you'll have the people say I don't want to wipe, I just want to be in-and-out. You probably shouldn't be playing a heavy community driven game where you have to party with people then or feel free to go into solo content.
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  2. #122
    Player Conundrum's Avatar
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    Marius De'romanas
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    Malboro
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    Dancer Lv 90
    My latest rescue story...

    Doing Asphodelos: Fourth Circle

    The mechanic where the sword on one side of the arena casts the huge cone that covers most of the arena.

    I was running towards the corner near me on the same side of the sword. For those unaware, there is a relatively large safe zone at those two corners.

    Stupid healer decides to "save" me and drag me to the center of the side right next to the sword where the safe zone is MUCH smaller than where I already was.

    And that tends to be my normal experience when being "saved" by them.
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  3. #123
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    Eriane_Elis's Avatar
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    Eriane Elis
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    Exodus
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirhd View Post
    No thanks. If someone is standing out in the open instead of behind the giant rock the rest of us are hiding behind because they insist on "pushing dem leet deeps", I'm pulling them behind the damn rock. Dead dps does no dps and makes a run take longer, and I'd rather no waste a cd on rezing them. I get that some people abuse it, but there'd be just as many stubborn folk that insist they know more than the frustrated healer who's seen too many people die to unavoidable things if a anti-toggle were implemented.
    If they do this and toggle it so i can't rescue them, then they won't be rezz'd. I'll save it for someone else. When I rescue I do it because I know someone is going to get murdered. Sometimes I let someone get murdered so they will learn though. The power of the gods is on my side after all. mwahaha
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  4. #124
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    Emily Kamba
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    Mateus
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    Monk Lv 90
    Lemme guess...you're also the same kinda person who may have complained that "Out From The Cold" quest was a "violation" of "your character" or the same sort who complains when the MSQ doesn't give you a dialogue option because "Mah Charactur wouldn't say dis!"

    Nothing to see here, carry on lol
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  5. #125
    Player Conundrum's Avatar
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    Marius De'romanas
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hayden View Post
    Lemme guess...you're also the same kinda person who may have complained that "Out From The Cold" quest was a "violation" of "your character" or the same sort who complains when the MSQ doesn't give you a dialogue option because "Mah Charactur wouldn't say dis!"

    Nothing to see here, carry on lol
    Well you just told everyone here what kind of person YOU are.

    You're right, nothing to see here.
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  6. #126
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    Crystal Skye
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    Halicarnassus
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    Summoner Lv 100
    I have been rescue'd MAYBE two or three times playing this game by randoms. Always for good reason.

    That said, I do not see the issue with a toggle.
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    Advantage is fair if you're willing to do something that most others aren't.

  7. #127
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    Auraella Sun-heather
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by X89K1 View Post
    Title. Rescue has its uses, but sometimes it can do more harm than help for a player, such as interrupting casts or sending them into an AoE. While Arm's Length/Surecast allows for temporary protection against an unwanted use of the skill, it is not always up for situations that such might happen. Sorry if this has already been posted before.

    Counterargument:
    A toggle permanently disabling cast of Rescue on a given player could present the following problems: It could prevent the healer from saving certain players in danger, or make it harder to find and report those that abuse the skill.
    Sure. I want the skill gone, but toggle is fine. I've had 1 rescue be legit on me. Other rescues used on me were all trying to get me killed or killed me. It's a skill ripe for griefing and I would rather have the option to not be harassed.
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  8. #128
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    Sarevok Thordin
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    Brynhildr
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    No.

    There's a kick option for healers misusing it, but sometimes I have to play Nanny to a blackmage that refuses to move out of a mechanic because GOTTA CHANNEL MEGUMIN.
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  9. #129
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Stupid healer decides to "save" me and drag me to the center of the side right next to the sword where the safe zone is MUCH smaller than where I already was.
    Mistakes happen. Tanks cleave raids by mistake, people drop aoe markers on each other when they were meant to spread. Same with mistaken Rescues. If you died it's not the end of the world, you just get a Raise and clear the fight.

    Calling people stupid over simple mistakes however is not fine:

    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    Well you just told everyone here what kind of person YOU are.

    You're right, nothing to see here.
    You can apply that to yourself.
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  10. #130
    Player Conundrum's Avatar
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    Marius De'romanas
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    Malboro
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    Mistakes happen. Tanks cleave raids by mistake, people drop aoe markers on each other when they were meant to spread. Same with mistaken Rescues. If you died it's not the end of the world, you just get a Raise and clear the fight.

    Calling people stupid over simple mistakes however is not fine:



    You can apply that to yourself.
    Maybe I'll consider starting to care what Healers (and often tanks) think when they stop running to every forum they can find and constantly insulting DPSs.
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