Parsing unfair but okay?

[xxmiamorecadenza]

It's an MMO that has big yellow circles and tells you when a big bad attack is coming. You can leave the "casuals" part out. It's taken as read when you mention Final Fantasy 14 raiding.

Big circles? I don't recall those in my Savage runs. Not in my Extreme runs, either.

I'm still progging Ultimate, so maybe there?

[DrFlesh]

Big circles? I don't recall those in my Savage runs. Not in my Extreme runs, either.

I'm still progging Ultimate, so maybe there?

so you haven't cleared zodiark then?

[Mezzoforte]

Yes and this is stretching the definition of a third-party tool to the absolute maximum wherein it becomes logical fallacy. Discord facilitates communication. The fights in this game at anything beyond normal mode aren't really designed around the idea that you're using a party chat to communicate your ideas. A little critical thinking goes a long way as to tell you why these aren't even remotely comparable.

By their own admission:
- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.
- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

The 'how' of how that data is collected and analysed is what determines if it violates the terms of service or not. They aren't doing it on the basis of end-result but rather method. Given that neither discord, nor Excel, nor a physical calculator violate either of the following then it's really a no brainer. As they've stated they frankly don't care if you do or don't. Neither do I. They'll be punishing people for bad behaviour long before they even bother punishing you for the use of ACT. They also went on to state that if this ever changed then you accept the personal responsibility of getting sanctioned due to it.

You are wrong watch yoshi p latest video about third party programs. He said if they were to ban act they would also need to ban discord.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

so you haven't cleared zodiark then?

o gosh. i forgot about the circle spam he does mid-fight.

i mean i have his lynx mount, if that counts tho.

[Garnetiferous]

so you haven't cleared zodiark then?

Lol, if there's aoe markers in ex trials at all they appear for a split second. Functionally speaking they might as well not be there at all considering there's no way to dodge them from just seeing them. You have to already know what the attack does.

[Kaurhz]

You are wrong watch yoshi p latest video about third party programs. He said if they were to ban act they would also need to ban discord.

Unless I'm missing some video here and something was posted between the video 5 months ago and today then no.

It was stated that he doesn't know what is installed on your personal PC and that is your own private information and there is very little meaning or purpose in finding out (given that it is illegal to do so), as taking the approach of banning all third-party tools would start a futile reporting war. This just turns into a massive whataboutism. What about this tool? What about that tool? Yes that would include Discord, and even a modified mouse or keyboard, but by their own admission none of these tools rewrite data or input anything into the game so the distinction between what tools they condone and which break the game. It's a completely complex grey area for them.

This is the whole point of why they ban you for harassment long before they ban you for third party tools, and why they take very little action on third party tools in the first place.

[Hammerhorn]

This whole Post is just Troll bait there is no 4/5 teams demanding fflog posts this guy just wants to stir crap. All the people who whine about not gettin into teams should make their own , grow a team, cut out the weeds and refine your team year after year. What you end up with is raw distilled friends.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

This whole Post is just Troll bait there is no 4/5 teams demanding fflog posts this guy just wants to stir crap.

You're kinda wrong about this one. I see them regularly advertised in Discord. But I keep my eye on recruitment if I'm ever interested in participating in a static again.

[raelgun]

Okay *points to the OP*

Right there, a person who, because parsers, that are against the ToS, are becoming too common, is being bounced out of statics.

That's a loss, due to parsers being used, and is sort of the entire point of the topic you decided to post in. So... you stepped in it mate.

I mean, where's the line, if it's okay for a static to demand you use things that are against the TOS, what's to keep them from demanding other things that break the law? (reminder, the Terms of service are a contract, and violations of them violations of contract law).

Established groups are allowed to vet their players how they like. Are you saying that every group no matter what type they are, they have to take on literally anyone?.

If you read the OP they stated high end statics though the OP only stated they cleared the eden raids only, a high end group does much more then this, high end groups want people on their level which is true for any established raiding group and this is ok.

[Akiudo]

for arguments sake lets assume the thread is not just Bait, saying one has raided for x amount of time and simply has no logs at all because they can't/don't want to parse is more than a little bit iffy.
reality is that most groups will have someone parse and upload logs, if not to brag than for analysing purposes. even if no one i personally know would have uploaded a single log i would still have several logs for some older ex primals, and i basically never actively joined random groups to do the kills but mostly jumped in if a buddy of mine was like "hey, we still need 1 guy to fill in, you up?"

same goes for normal mode kills, which while not really great a metric do give you at least a vague idea of someones performance if they average purple+ compared to someone with more than 5 normal mode logs which are all grey aswell as a single no death 7% ex kill.

if you have no logs at all, like literally zero logs for old or current content even though you claim to have experience reaching back at least a complete expansion than i'll just assume you either lie and have no experiences at all or you have your logs hidden and draw my conclusions from there, and i assure you theres a 99% chance of being right in my assessment with that approach. Now "bad" logs are an entirely different story, unless someones logs are flat out terrible over a long enough period 90% of groups will simply throw you a bone and ask why exactly your logs are as bad they are and give you a trial run.