Parsing unfair but okay?

[Gyson]

Are you using any voice app, or any of your fc mates use it? If thats the case you can start report them as well as yourself, third party tools are not allowed!! Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds? And eye for an eye and everyone would end blind

The flaw with this argument is that the developers have stated that external voice chat programs are not prohibited. They have also said that using utilities that interact with the game (and analyzing game data) are prohibited. You can do you, but let's not use a logical fallacy to push a point.

It would remove the current hurdle and introduce a bunch of other ones. It's really a matter of choosing your poison.
Making sure your static is made up of members with equivalent skill tiers is, in my opinion, the lesser of two evils.

That's a bit ambiguous. What are some other hurdles that would be introduced? The worst case scenario I can see is they take the player along on some runs, using those outings to decide whether they're a fit for their static or not, and then declining them membership on the team. How exactly is that a greater evil?

[Lauren]

Hello,

I'm finding it hard to find a MC static due to not having parse logs available. Four out of five statics are requiring logs in pf or discord recruitments. I've cleared the previous raid tier but I don't have the logs.

Is this never intended to be enforced and just a blanket policy with no action ever intended to be taken?

I find this a massive advantage to PC user since I don't have the option available on playstation. I don't have the ability to see if I'm improving or if my gear setup makes a difference. I'm not asking to parse but a self dps meter for consoles would make a giant difference in being competetive. Currently the only available method to test my damage is the target dummy trials but in 3 minutes it can be heavily skewed by crits/dh and the times can vary by a lot.

Is there any advice on how to join a high end static without logs or the ability to optimize?

Searching your name on FFlogs, you have parses for Shadowbringers. However the majority are in post-Echo and you have parsed quite low. Have a lookie through what you cast and it should help you improve ♥

[Yamr3]

The flaw with this argument is that the developers have stated that external voice chat programs are not prohibited. They have also said that using utilities that interact with the game (and analyzing game data) are prohibited. You can do you, but let's not use a logical fallacy to push a point.



That's a bit ambiguous. What are some other hurdles that would be introduced? The worst case scenario I can see is they take the player along on some runs, using those outings to decide whether they're a fit for their static or not, and then declining them membership on the team. How exactly is that a greater evil?

Watch you DPS down a training dummy and time you compared to what the going average is, above average, and best are doing.

EDIT: People will find a way to measure each other. Plenty of casual groups out there that just want x role filled and don't really care about performance. Nothing wrong with those groups either but making other groups lives harder just because they have a filter for their groups, doesn't change how groups who don't are about performance are going to operate.

[Gyson]

Watch you DPS down a training dummy and time you compared to what the going average is, above average, and best are doing.

And that would be fine. The player was given a chance at that point and then it's on them to prove themselves. But the difference is they didn't have to break the terms of service (or ask someone else to) to do it. And in your example we have players actually interacting instead of immediately shutting doors on one one another because of a third-party tool that exists outside of the game. That sounds like an improvement to me.

[Menriq]

The flaw with this argument is that the developers have stated that external voice chat programs are not prohibited. They have also said that using utilities that interact with the game (and analyzing game data) are prohibited. You can do you, but let's not use a logical fallacy to push a point.

They really aren't using a fallacy. In the ACT video from Yoshi-P, he literally uses calculators and Excel as similar examples where people could ask if they are "third party tools".

Watch you DPS down a training dummy and time you compared to what the going average is, above average, and best are doing.

So, how would you figure out the going average, above average, and best are doing without a parser?

[Raven2014]

I never wanted the players banned. Its more on since SE can\\\\'t pick a side they openly discriminate against a player base

This could be be a me problem because I am an ESL. But I gotta ask ... is English such a limited language that the word "discrimination" need to be used so frequently? In my own language it's a heavy and critical word, reserved for serious social problem only. Not something liberally threw around whenever someone don't get their way ... in a video game no less.

But like I said, maybe that's just me.

I think the thing people should be focusing on is that the original poster is having a difficult time finding a static because other players are expecting them to provide parser logs showing their performance.

Let's pretend third-party parse tools just didn't work in this game, and so they simply weren't something our community could use. Can we all agree that would remove the current hurdle the original poster is facing?

So, for this player, essentially a third party tool is creating a barrier for access. Isn't that the whole problem with parsing tools the developers wanted to avoid?

Requiring parse logs from a static is a long way away from using a parser to harmlessly monitor your own performance.

Except a static is not an in-game thing. It's a personal-defined group, as such it's completely reasonable for player themselves to decide which parameter to join their group. In this instance, a parser (or lack-there-off) does not prevent the player from accessing the content. There are PF which for the most part, can be freely join. Even so the game also include other things to let players define their parameters of who can and can not join. Or what next, are we gonna cry ilvl requirement a discrimination against ungeared player? Is Duty Complete a discrimination against players who haven't cleared?

In this instance, the OP is simply masking a personal problem as "discrimination" to play the victim. There is pug, there is casual static in which he/she can use as stepping stones to higher level group. The problem is the OP is wanting to join a Midcore static despite having no qualification. I ask ... why stop there? What about HC static? What about week 1 static? Are we gonna accusing them of discrimination 'cause they don't just accept anyone? I had been in week 1 static before and do you know how much drama ensure when someone does not perform as expected? If anything, filters like these is better for everyone's mental health in the long run because it let people of similar mindset and skill set to group up together.

[Yamr3]

I mean, technically, it's not against the TOS. They've reiterated their stance on Parses. For self-improvement only and not being used in a way to ruin another person's gameplay, it's fine as it is now. I mean, how is it any different than building up a resume for your job? You work at other places to build your resume to then give yourself a shot.

There's no "improvement" in making filtering people for your group more tedious. If asking you to join a public run on your own time and spend an hour to get some verifiable experience done is too much, you're probably looking to join the wrong groups.

[Kaurhz]

They really aren't using a fallacy. In the ACT video from Yoshi-P, he literally uses calculators and Excel as similar examples where people could ask if they are "third party tools".


So, how would you figure out the going average, above average, and best are doing without a parser?

Yes because in effect they both adhere to the the same purpose in that they're calculating output damage. The main distinction between is that one directly reads that data from the game, and with Excel you're just copying and pasting the data from the chat log into Excel and then running macros.

Unless we've suddenly come upon a case scenario where Discord is more than just a text/voice chat application and expands into something that directly reads from the game then it will remain a logical fallacy.

[Menriq]

Yes because in effect they both adhere to the the same purpose in that they're calculating output damage. The main distinction between is that one directly reads that data from the game, and with Excel you're just copying and pasting the data from the chat log into Excel and then running macros.

Unless we've suddenly come upon a case scenario where Discord is more than just a text/voice chat application that directly reads from the game then it will remain a logical fallacy.

So then, if ACT didn't read memory, but I manually copied and pasted the same information, you would be ok with parse runs?

[Yamr3]

They really aren't using a fallacy. In the ACT video from Yoshi-P, he literally uses calculators and Excel as similar examples where people could ask if they are "third party tools".


So, how would you figure out the going average, above average, and best are doing without a parser?

You.. don't. Someone somewhere, is going to have a website with a leaderboard for best times of doing something, like Speedrunners. You post your time, probably with a video. Said website probably has a average and a leaderboard for it and people will base how fast you DPS'd the Training Dummy down. Then people will call for removing training dummies because people are using it how people are using parsing.