Healers please

[Ayer2015]

I suggest playing green dps game of chicken.... see who breaks first to heal.

[LazyMemories]

I suggest playing green dps game of chicken.... see who breaks first to heal.

Most likely it will be me lol

[Ayer2015]

Most likely it will be me lol

Honestly, I've found the only way to get the people you are referring to to actually heal, is to force them to realize you will not carry them. Unfortunately this impacts the party as a whole, which is unfortunate.

[Banriikku]

Carry ? Ufff...
I am honest here but i heal in a Static and my Friend (healer since ARR for Savage) and myself (healer since SB) heal both current EX only with OGCD's. So i am not sure what "the emergency" or "danger" is you talking about.

I am SGE and my frined is WHM. Hardcasting healing is not good. The actual situation of raiding is "More Damage = better" that means as long there is not a demand for "fully heal" somebody i will keep them around 50 % to 60 %. But most of the time we have enough time so the HoT's do the job.
I am not aware of what problem you are talking here or what mech occurs that i am missing.

Sure you can say "you are in a static and your group plays like chads" but sadly we are nothing special and mess up more than we like and even then its really rare that we need GCD healing.

[Dogempire]

Kind of ironic that they reduced healer rotation complexity to stop people from tunnel visioning on their damage rotation and ignoring healing, yet it's still an issue where people mash their 1 button and god forbid the co-healer dies and things descend into anarchy because they were the only one who was bothering to heal, and they're too busy spamming their attack spell to spare a gcd for the person busy doing the job of 2 people

I wouldn't say these types of healers are super common, but if tanks are expected to hold aggro with no exceptions then healers should be expected to contribute some source of healing when needed, gcd or not

[Plastics]

Damage hits in very scripted spots then not again for a long time. You don't need to heal everyone to 100% HP ASAP. This is something a lot of people don't seem to understand about healing. A good healer is only healing exactly as much as is required, and using a gcd heal when your ogcds will cover it is wasting those free tools. It's free healing, why would you waste it?

When you're new to a fight or doing prog with a group, it makes sense to be a little aggressive with heals as people are going to be taking vulns and you don't know where the aoes are, but once you do, you shouldn't be doing that anymore. Also, if melees want to eat vulns instead of snapshotting dodges, let them pop their wind/blood and heal themselves. The only person who should be consistently doing that is a tank because a tank basically can't die on any of the content that's in EW right now, even with 3-4 vulns.

[QooEr]

Kind of ironic that they reduced healer rotation complexity to stop people from tunnel visioning on their damage rotation and ignoring healing, yet it's still an issue

honestly, all the more proof that reducing healer rotation to 1 button was completely pointless, solving nothing and only bringing grief to those who actually enjoyed playing healers.

the co-healer dies and things descend into anarchy because they were the only one who was bothering to heal, and they're too busy spamming their attack spell to spare a gcd for the person busy doing the job of 2 people

also this boogeyman healer that never heals............. i wonder just how well people can read the situation? is the cohealer really the one "doing all the healing" or is it someone who spams succor or medica at the smallest boobo? i have runs of zodiark with a healing percentile of 0 and i still have like 70% overheal because they cant fathom waiting 10 seconds for earthly star to detonate. the only time ive ever truly had the kind of cohealer that never heals is in ultimate statics, and its funnily always a whm without exception because well, whm has 0 free heals. in contrast, almost everyone i encounter on pf wont let me heal even when i want to.

[Lunafreya]

I like healing and dps and only heal when necessary.

[-BlueGreen-]

I've personally found myself on both sides of this at various times. I remember many times my SCH was essentially forced into main healing for groups back when things like Dun Scaith and Alexander were new for WHMs that seemed to outright refuse to heal (and would sometimes make it known that they didn't really want to heal).

On the other hand, I've increasingly found myself doing less and less healing with newer content (at least when I bother to play an actual healer job and not just carry a bunch of DPS through stuff as RDM/PLD). I think it says something about the healing requirements when you don't need an actual healer for most dungeons, and there's even proof of a current EX trial being beat without proper healers. When I take RDM in to fill in for the healer slot in a full 4-man FC dungeon run, I feel like that kind of gameplay is how healing should be for this game. It's an interesting, though easy, DPS rotation, but importantly one that can be interrupted at almost any point to toss out any needed vercures/verraises. All RDM probably needs is esuna and maybe vermedica to pass healing checks that pretty much require those.

As many have pointed out, the healing requirements are mostly a joke. Even in the highest tier content, the damage is almost completely scripted and unexpected damage is often lethal anyway (even if only because DPS downtime means hitting enrage). It's pretty pointless to throw something out like a Medica II only to see your co-healer decide regen isn't fast enough and they deploy half their arsenal of AoE heals to top everyone off.

I doubt upping healing requirements would do much good. If they go too far, the minimum gear won't generally cut it for most players causing a larger number of wipes due to poor healer gameplay (I'm doubtful that an increase in healing difficulty would attract more players than it would scare away). Additionally, since so much content allows you to overgear it, sometimes by huge margins (Labyrinth of the Ancients, Void Arc, Praetorium, Cape Westwind, etc.), you'll likely still end up with bored end-game healers since the better gear negates the increased difficulty.

If I get the feeling that the other healer is just going to go nuts in passing out the heals, I'll just go about focusing almost exclusively on DPSing to try to make up for their lack of DPS. I'll keep an eye out on the overall situation and be ready to heal if things start to get hairy.

Sometimes this strategy even pans out for the best if the co healer happens to be not only quick on the draw, but actually know what they're doing to the point where we largely both get to maximize DPS uptime.

[Serenitey]

Some people hear "this fight doesn't need healing" from the rest of the community and then just decide to shut off healthbars, it seems.

THIS ! They said that to a healer for a TRIAL I tried to say - no that is stupid, but they didn't listen to my mi'qote toon of course. So we went in - wiped in 10 seconds or so, and they blamed the TANK. lol Telling a healer not to heal is beyond dumb. If you want to prove something go lift weights or something. Bake a cake. Don't try to do dungeons and trials without heals. Just no.