Healers please

[Xaruko_Nexume]

You have indeed been doing it incorrectly since 1999. full hp and half hp are effectively the same thing if the monster cannot kill them in a single hit.
The healer's job is to prevent death, not maximize health pools.

ahh okay. In previous games, many mechanics could result in death if not at full health. Im still carrying over old habits it seems. Thank you.

[HappyHubris]

When I heal the extreme trials, my favorite event is the other healer dying right before a damage burst. Because it's the only thing that makes healing interesting.

As it is, I generally cover most if not all damage myself, allowing the other healer to pewpew more.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I could heal everything but at that point I might as well get another dps instead of a healer that's not contributing what so ever. That way I know the dps is doing its role

This, over here: you hit the nail of the head. Why should they join to overheal together IF they had foreseen that you will likely top up everybody without accounting their contribution? Better throw out additional Glaroilfisis to kill the boss 1/8 GCD faster, right?

Personally if I see my co-healer's first line of defense against first raidwide is a Medica II/Succor/Asp Helios/(E)Prognosis, I will immediately hold on to my resources so I can use them elsewhere. I will not bother putting my tools on cooldown, beside probably some small regen like leaving Eos/Selene do the leftover patching up. Will that make my cohealer hate me for seemingly making them do all the legwork? Probably, but their insecurities are not my fault. They have to at least recognize their cohealers expertise and what their tools are capable of beyond the simple Medica II/Cure III/Succor/Prognosis/Helios. That's why we're referring them as a 'Co-healer', you work together to end the encounter: defeat the boss.

"But they could be playing safe!"
Could be true. But if they consistently doing this then it says alot about their 'healing plan.' I will still not jeopardize their choice of resource usage.

okay, so... how can you be so sure that your co healer has any kind of "plan" aside from spamming dps? how much time do you suggest giving until you know ifd they are a green dps or actually going to heal? members start dying? or you need to use LB3 to rez everyone? I usually leave my psychic shoes at home when I go into raids so if you have an easy way to figure out if the other healer has a plan, or even intends to heal, that would be wonderful. please educate us on this ability

I'm not the person you're quoting, but I can probably answer a bit.

I played all 4 healers (or at least read up their tooltips before actually playing them myself) so to some extent I can think of possible scenarios. I.e.:
- "If Styx is coming up next, as a SGE I will deploy Panhaima. What is WHM/SCH/AST's equivalent to this? <insert answer>"
- "This X raidwide always happens at 00:30 mark of the encounter because it lines up with my Sacred Soil/Indomitability. But nothing will damage the rest of the party until 01:00. My co-healer is a WHM, so I should take account of their possible Assize heal anytime between 00:45 to 00:59 and just deploy Whispering Dawn to heal everybody slowly."

The list goes on. But such is the way of PF, we still have to adjust. Players aren't so incompetent that they cannot recognize where the hint of problem coming from: kick them out or leave for another. Sure it sucks if we get an inexperienced healer but if people really hoping for a consistent experience, they really should consider a static. PF is such a mixed bag of bliss and purgatory.

[LazyMemories]

This, over here: you hit the nail of the head. Why should they join to overheal together IF they had foreseen that you will likely top up everybody without accounting their contribution? Better throw out additional Glaroilfisis to kill the boss 1/8 GCD faster, right?

If I see my coheal are that type who wants to see everybody at 90% health immediately after each raidwides, I will not bother putting my tools on cooldown, beside probably some small regen like leaving Eos/Selene do the leftover patching up. Will that make my cohealer hate me for seemingly making them do all the legwork? Probably, but their insecurities are not my fault. They have to at least recognize their cohealers expertise and what their tools are capable of beyond the simple Medica II/Cure III/Succor/Prognosis/Helios. That's why we're referring them as a 'Co-healer', you work together to end the encounter: defeat the boss.



I'm not the person you're quoting, but I can probably answer a bit.

I played all 4 healers (or at least read up their tooltips before actually playing them myself) so to some extent I can think of possible scenarios. I.e.:
- "If Styx is coming up next, as a SGE I will deploy Panhaima. What is WHM/SCH/AST's equivalent to this? <insert answer>"
- "This X raidwide always happens at 00:30 mark of the encounter because it lines up with my Sacred Soil/Indomitability. But nothing will damage the rest of the party until 01:00. My co-healer is a WHM, so I should take account of their possible Assize heal anytime between 00:45 to 00:59 and just deploy Whispering Dawn to heal everybody slowly."

The list goes on. But such is the way of PF, we still have to adjust. Players aren't so incompetent that they cannot recognize where the hint of problem coming from: kick them out or leave for another. Sure it sucks if we get an inexperienced healer but if people really hoping for a consistent experience, they really should consider a static. PF is such a mixed bag of bliss and purgatory.

If I saw them using any aoe heal not overhealing btw if we're all at 1hp. I wouldn't have to use so much mp to heal everyone. I would only use minimal amount. Not to mention I could also be dpsing during that as well if we both top up real quick. It would get the job done faster. I wouldn't have to stress using 50% of my mp within the first idk 30secs of the fight due to lack of healing from said other healer.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If I saw them using any aoe heal not overhealing btw if we're all at 1hp. I wouldn't have to use so much mp to heal everyone. I would only use minimal amount. Not to mention I could also be dpsing during that as well if we both top up real quick. It would get the job done faster. I wouldn't have to stress using 50% of my mp within the first idk 30secs of the fight due to lack of healing from said other healer.

Kokytus opening from EX1 trial, isn't it?
The reduce to 1 HP occurs roughly around 15s after pulling, and you have about another 18 - 20 seconds before any next damaging raidwide happens. News flash: almost all healers heal over time abilities/spell coincidentally have this duration, so you can virtually slap any party regen, maybe 1 or 2 then go back to dpsing while the regen do their magic for you.

There is absolutely no need to top up everybody to 100% right away in that 20 seconds window, save the tank because they're taking auto attack damage. There are so many ways to do this. If you decide to spend 50% MP to top up everybody, then your healer made the CORRECT choice to not put out any additional healing because they will be wasting your 50% MP.

Take a deep breath, and heal calmly.

[LazyMemories]

Kokytus opening from EX1 trial, isn't it?
The reduce to 1 HP occurs roughly around 15s after pulling, and you have about another 18 - 20 seconds before any next damaging raidwide happens. News flash: almost all healers heal over time abilities/spell coincidentally have this duration, so you can virtually slap any party regen, maybe 1 or 2 then go back to dpsing while the regen do their magic for you.

There is absolutely no need to top up everybody to 100% right away in that 20 seconds window, save the tank because they're taking auto attack damage. There are so many ways to do this. If you decide to spend 50% MP to top up everybody, then your healer made the CORRECT choice to not put out any additional healing because they will be wasting your 50% MP.

Take a deep breath, and heal calmly.

If I don't heal said Kokytus and the other healer isn't healing should I just expect a wipe then? Since neither of us I guess want to heal? No I cure 3 immediately since I know there is a stack mech coming up and everyone should be top off for that to get ready for another aoe hit. Which at that point I expect the other healer to help out with some form of healing take turns not just leave all the healing to one person.

[Saraide]

If I don't heal said Kokytus and the other healer isn't healing should I just expect a wipe then? Since neither of us I guess want to heal? No I cure 3 immediately since I know there is a stack mech coming up and everyone should be top off for that to get ready for another aoe hit. Which at that point I expect the other healer to help out with some form of healing take turns not just leave all the healing to one person.

There is a lot of time between cure 3 immediately and the stack happening. You immediately starting to hardcore gcd heal tells the other healer to dps instead. That's the message you are sending.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If I don't heal said Kokytus and the other healer isn't healing should I just expect a wipe then? Since neither of us I guess want to heal?

Then one of you (or both) should get out of that farm party and go back to practice PF because either both are unaware of the mech or not up to heal. I did said "18-20 seconds before any next damaging raidwide happens.". You can sit on 1 HP all this duration and nobody save the tank will die because no damage will bring their HP to 0 in this window. This is the perfect time to let regens shines (asylum, physis, whispering dawn, celestial opposition, special mention earth star). Do not underestimate the potency of healing over time.

No I cure 3 immediately since I know there is a stack mech coming up and everyone should be top off for that to get ready for another aoe hit. Which at that point I expect the other healer to help out with some form of healing take turns not just leave all the healing to one person.

The trick is -not- force yourself to do all the legwork yourself. You said it yourself: you expect other healer to help out, so do not prevent them.

"Prevent how?"
By healing everybody to 100% right away, with your Cure III spams. Leave the other half for them. You heal nothing when you throw healing at a player with 100% health.

[DragoAskani]

If I don't heal said Kokytus and the other healer isn't healing should I just expect a wipe then? Since neither of us I guess want to heal? No I cure 3 immediately since I know there is a stack mech coming up and everyone should be top off for that to get ready for another aoe hit. Which at that point I expect the other healer to help out with some form of healing take turns not just leave all the healing to one person.

Seems you need to learn fight timers and stop wasting mana inefficiently to me. You are sitting here complaining, and at the exact same time telling us why you are healing badly.

[Azuri]

OP is the perfect example of a panicky healer who just insists on having healthbars full "right now!" and then complains when their co-healer leaves them to it. There is no reason for me to use any HoTs if you are going to Cure III spam everyone to full. Maybe you are not familiar with other healers but WHM is an exception when it comes to GCD healing. Every other healing job has plenty of oGCD tools that allow the entire fights to be healed without using a single healing GCD.

Damage goes out at the same timepoint every single pull. If there is nothing happening in the next 30 seconds of the fight, you don't need to stress about healing everyone.