Healers please

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If I don't heal said Kokytus and the other healer isn't healing should I just expect a wipe then? Since neither of us I guess want to heal?

Then one of you (or both) should get out of that farm party and go back to practice PF because either both are unaware of the mech or not up to heal. I did said "18-20 seconds before any next damaging raidwide happens.". You can sit on 1 HP all this duration and nobody save the tank will die because no damage will bring their HP to 0 in this window. This is the perfect time to let regens shines (asylum, physis, whispering dawn, celestial opposition, special mention earth star). Do not underestimate the potency of healing over time.

No I cure 3 immediately since I know there is a stack mech coming up and everyone should be top off for that to get ready for another aoe hit. Which at that point I expect the other healer to help out with some form of healing take turns not just leave all the healing to one person.

The trick is -not- force yourself to do all the legwork yourself. You said it yourself: you expect other healer to help out, so do not prevent them.

"Prevent how?"
By healing everybody to 100% right away, with your Cure III spams. Leave the other half for them. You heal nothing when you throw healing at a player with 100% health.

[Sunhwapark]

If I don't heal said Kokytus and the other healer isn't healing should I just expect a wipe then?

Please read the entire post again, they have actually outlined how to handle the very first 30s of that encounter in a simple and effective manner, if you ignored a currently active regen that was activated at the start of the 1hp mechanic and decide to cure III to fill everyone up faster before the stack marker has even begun casting you have just wasted that healer's regen as it's now just overhealing for nothing.

Even if you're not full hp, the first stack is only 6 hits which can be covered very easily by the Lilybell. Not to mention the fact that at the start of the fight every other possible mitigation buff is also available. (Divine Veil, Reprisal etc.)

[Misutoraru]

Other than premade/PF, I always assume everyone will mess up at some point.
Dead people have no dps, over healing is still better than having to cast Rez
I would rather keeping my teammate HP bar full or at least very high for insurance than having to panic rez later

[Rilifane]

As a healer myself. I'm often go into extreme fights thinking other healers will heal and or aoe heal for stacked markers, but what I'm left with is they keep dpsing.

I know more damage the better but please if I wanted to solo heal I'll put a pf up and solo heal. I like to dps to. Not sure if this is a trend now but its almost every time I do a extreme now a healer doesn't want to heal.

Now I know whm brings the big heals with cure 3 and I could heal through it but I should expect some help.

I went in with my sage once and this whm never put up a medica 2 or cure 3 just kept dpsing away and I'm stuck doing all the healing.

So please I beg of you. do some aoe healing succor, medica 2 cure 3 if close, medica, prognosis ect.

Sorry about this rant just had to get it off my chest

Not sorry to disappoint you.
I'm aoe healing but definitely not with that when I have:
- Panhaima, Holos, Kerachole, Physis II, Pneuma and Ixochole on Sage
- Asylum, Plenary, Lilies, Lilybell, natural Assize on WHM
- Seraph, Sacred Soil, Indom, Whispering Dawn and Fey Blessing on SCH
- COpp, CU, mega-sized Star, Macrocosmos, Horoscope on AST
If all those resources are already exhausted AND not coming up until the raidwide happens AND I don't see my co heal doing anything until ~5s before the raidwide hits, then I will use GCD aoe heals and if anyone has taken extra damage or still has vuln stacks, I'll give them extra attention with single target shields. Otherwise there is no point in using GCD heals above my myriad of oGCD resources. Spamming Glareficoilosis doesn't mean someone isn't healing in time.

And if you decide to instantly go Cure III spam mode, I'll just shrug and do my green dps thing because you have already decided for both of us that you are fighting to heal that damage right now. Fine by me. I adjust to my co heal:
- do I see them healing right away? I'll keep my resources for the next damage.
- are they not healing right away? I throw out a Regen and see what happens.
- they're also throwing out a regen or small burst heal? Alright, Glareficoilosis and chill, we're safe
- they don't do anything, raidwide ~5s away and people are too low to survive? I'll bring them above threshhold, worst case I'll use a GCD heal
Raidwide is about to hit, everyone is healthy enough and I see any form of delayed burst heal or regen (Star, Lilybell etc) or something to prep a burst heal (Zoe, Recit, Plenary etc), I'll hold my resources and let them go first because they called dibs on healing that one.
I'll also wait for natural Assize between raidwides, it's quite predictable with most WHMs.

If you panic Cure III spam with Panhaima up, Zoe Pneuma in the pipeline etc. you're just wasting my resources for no reason. You don't need to be a psychic to get a feeling for how your co heal heals and you don't get bonus points for topping people faster. If you can top a raid within 6s, you don't need to heal 30s before the next raidwide.
HP is a completely irrelevant metric, the only thing that counts is what the boss is doing. You can be perfectly safe at 1 HP and you can be at risk of dying at 90% HP - what matters is what the boss is doing. Not doing anything? 1 HP is still alive.

Maybe it would be good to take a look at the job actions list if you don't play other healers because their respective "big heal coming up" tells are generally easy to spot. Nothing improves gameplay and performance like knowing what the co-role is capable of, be it healers, tanks or even dps.

[HyoMinPark]

As a healer myself. I'm often go into extreme fights thinking other healers will heal and or aoe heal for stacked markers, but what I'm left with is they keep dpsing.

I know more damage the better but please if I wanted to solo heal I'll put a pf up and solo heal. I like to dps to. Not sure if this is a trend now but its almost every time I do a extreme now a healer doesn't want to heal.

Now I know whm brings the big heals with cure 3 and I could heal through it but I should expect some help.

I went in with my sage once and this whm never put up a medica 2 or cure 3 just kept dpsing away and I'm stuck doing all the healing.

So please I beg of you. do some aoe healing succor, medica 2 cure 3 if close, medica, prognosis ect.

Sorry about this rant just had to get it off my chest

I primarily play SGE now, and my go-to for stack markers is usually Kerachole > allow the mitigation to lessen the incoming damage, and the HoT to tick everyone back up. Sometimes I’ll add in Physis or an Ixochole for an extra top off if I know more AOE damage is coming soon, but I generally only heal as much as I need to. HOWEVER. If I had a dime for every time my co-healer would negate my regens or other healings with their own healing (be it something like Indom, ET+Succor, E.Prognosis or Prognosis spam, Medica II, Rapture, Plenary + Medica II/Rapture, Cure III, Aspected Helios spam, Aspected Helios + COpp, etc.), then I would be quite rich.

Sometimes, I just give up since there’s little point in me overhealing because my cohealer insists everyone be 100% HP, 100% of the time. Damage is scripted in this game, so any experienced healer knows just how much they need to heal, and when. The party does not need to be 100% HP at all times, and I think a lot of healers could benefit to learn to allow their regens to do what they’re supposed to do as opposed to negating them all the time.

[Liam_Harper]

I would rather keeping my teammate HP bar full or at least very high for insurance than having to panic rez later

The thing is, even as a dps focused healer I'd rather be safe with potential mistakes too. I don't play risks like leaving everyone at half health when an avoidable mech is coming up. I'll throw Benisons and Bene's and even Cure II's at dps with vuln stacks quite happily. But if no mechanic is coming up immediately and I know it, I don't need to heal immediately. Their health bars don't need to be full until they're actually in any danger.

[Kes13a]

The thing is, even as a dps focused healer I'd rather be safe with potential mistakes too. I don't play risks like leaving everyone at half health when an avoidable mech is coming up. I'll throw Benisons and Bene's and even Cure II's at dps with vuln stacks quite happily. But if no mechanic is coming up immediately and I know it, I don't need to heal immediately. Their health bars don't need to be full until they're actually in any danger.

this I agree with. if nothing is coming I will likely toss a regen in case they decide at some point to stand in something, and if nothing is coming, then I will indeed dps away. people dont need to run at 100% thats true, and not even panicky at 50 since I can typically save all but the really dumb.

but in no way do I ever consider my primary focus dps.. why? because I lack any kind of toolkit for that assumption. no matter how you spin it.

[technole]

Some people think WHM doesn't heal a lot because they look at the cast bars, when the meta is more about relying on lilies which are instant GCDs, also the Lily Bell mitigates practially all the bleed in Extreme 1 that you don't even need Medica 2.

[Misutoraru]

The thing is, even as a dps focused healer I'd rather be safe with potential mistakes too. I don't play risks like leaving everyone at half health when an avoidable mech is coming up. I'll throw Benisons and Bene's and even Cure II's at dps with vuln stacks quite happily. But if no mechanic is coming up immediately and I know it, I don't need to heal immediately. Their health bars don't need to be full until they're actually in any danger.

that's what I do...if there is enough time, i drop a regen, if not just top it up with whatever healing skill i have

my thread is targeting those who always keep teammate at low HP when avoidable dmg coming up, co-heal with those players just put pressure on myself

[Recon1o6]

Something OP and a few others here seem to forget is how strong the regen healing is and how rare unavoidable raidwide damage is

As healers, our job is to keep the party alive for the next unavoidable bout of damage (topping off is only neccessary with doom or white hole) dish out our share of the damage, then fix the mistakes of the other players (top them up/rez)

-the hp to one and styx are 30s apart
-e7s has a full 2 minutes between 2 lots of aoe healing
-emerald weapon extreme has 90s cycles of healing
-ex2 trial is mostly one hit kills rather than damage
-most mechanics are avoidable and you are expected to do mechanics and avoid them
-healers are supposed to use OGCD heals first. The frequency and strength of these eclipses gcd heals
-regens work over time. if the next roomwide hit is going to hit after the regens have finished, whats the point of using another heal?