Healers please

[hynaku]

Starting to see healers not heal at all. Last roulette did both healers let the tanks died and half the dps.

[Banriikku]

Carry ? Ufff...
I am honest here but i heal in a Static and my Friend (healer since ARR for Savage) and myself (healer since SB) heal both current EX only with OGCD's. So i am not sure what "the emergency" or "danger" is you talking about.

I am SGE and my frined is WHM. Hardcasting healing is not good. The actual situation of raiding is "More Damage = better" that means as long there is not a demand for "fully heal" somebody i will keep them around 50 % to 60 %. But most of the time we have enough time so the HoT's do the job.
I am not aware of what problem you are talking here or what mech occurs that i am missing.

Sure you can say "you are in a static and your group plays like chads" but sadly we are nothing special and mess up more than we like and even then its really rare that we need GCD healing.

[Dogempire]

Kind of ironic that they reduced healer rotation complexity to stop people from tunnel visioning on their damage rotation and ignoring healing, yet it's still an issue where people mash their 1 button and god forbid the co-healer dies and things descend into anarchy because they were the only one who was bothering to heal, and they're too busy spamming their attack spell to spare a gcd for the person busy doing the job of 2 people

I wouldn't say these types of healers are super common, but if tanks are expected to hold aggro with no exceptions then healers should be expected to contribute some source of healing when needed, gcd or not

[QooEr]

Kind of ironic that they reduced healer rotation complexity to stop people from tunnel visioning on their damage rotation and ignoring healing, yet it's still an issue

honestly, all the more proof that reducing healer rotation to 1 button was completely pointless, solving nothing and only bringing grief to those who actually enjoyed playing healers.

the co-healer dies and things descend into anarchy because they were the only one who was bothering to heal, and they're too busy spamming their attack spell to spare a gcd for the person busy doing the job of 2 people

also this boogeyman healer that never heals............. i wonder just how well people can read the situation? is the cohealer really the one "doing all the healing" or is it someone who spams succor or medica at the smallest boobo? i have runs of zodiark with a healing percentile of 0 and i still have like 70% overheal because they cant fathom waiting 10 seconds for earthly star to detonate. the only time ive ever truly had the kind of cohealer that never heals is in ultimate statics, and its funnily always a whm without exception because well, whm has 0 free heals. in contrast, almost everyone i encounter on pf wont let me heal even when i want to.

[Dogempire]

also this boogeyman healer that never heals............. i wonder just how well people can read the situation? is the cohealer really the one "doing all the healing" or is it someone who spams succor or medica at the smallest boobo? i have runs of zodiark with a healing percentile of 0 and i still have like 70% overheal because they cant fathom waiting 10 seconds for earthly star to detonate. the only time ive ever truly had the kind of cohealer that never heals is in ultimate statics, and its funnily always a whm without exception because well, whm has 0 free heals. in contrast, almost everyone i encounter on pf wont let me heal even when i want to.

Can't really call them a boogeyman considering they still exist, and I'm not referring to the "dying to a raidwide 3 seconds after after standing in the ouch" kind of a situation, I'm talking like more of a "Raidwide is being cast, party is 30%, everyone is hitting their self heals, and healer is still casting glare" type of healer

People who spam gcd heals are way more common than people who never heal, but both are still types of bad play and just because one is more common shouldn't mean that the other is any worse, not that I'm accusing you of saying that, mind you.

You're failing to strike the right balance either way, and by spamming damage spells you're basically going lazy in the other direction (See: not using regens or mapping out ogcd heals to avoid messing up your 1 button dps rotation)

[Raven2014]

Can't really call them a boogeyman considering they still exist, and I'm not referring to the "dying to a raidwide 3 seconds after after standing in the ouch" kind of a situation, I'm talking like more of a "Raidwide is being cast, party is 30%, everyone is hitting their self heals, and healer is still casting glare" type of healer

That's not really because of DPS, that's just being bad. It has been mentioned many times healer have more than enough tool currently to deal with these kind of thing. Top off the party and healing and DPSing are not mutual exclusive, even within the same GCD.

[Dogempire]

That's not really because of DPS, that's just being bad. It has been mentioned many times healer have more than enough tool currently to deal with these kind of thing. Top off the party and healing and DPSing are not mutual exclusive, even within the same GCD.

I literally just called it playing badly

[Penthea]

Top off the party and healing and DPSing are not mutual exclusive, even within the same GCD.

A problem is some healers think they are. Some entirely refuse to heal or entirely refuse to dps. It's a healer's job to do both. They have buttons for both.

And frankly I find the ones who refuse to heal simply because there is another healer to be lazy. They're pressing one button 99% of the time while they expect the other healer to be strategic with a wide range of abilities. By refusing to heal in a fight with a lot of damage they're literally demanding to get carried.

That is not to say that I think refusing to dps is any good. I am just quite tired of people romanticising healers who don't heal in high damage fights without thinking of the position that puts the other healer in, especially if they didn't even agree to it.

[QooEr]

Can't really call them a boogeyman considering they still exist, and I'm not referring to the "dying to a raidwide 3 seconds after after standing in the ouch" kind of a situation, I'm talking like more of a "Raidwide is being cast, party is 30%, everyone is hitting their self heals, and healer is still casting glare" type of healer

People who spam gcd heals are way more common than people who never heal, but both are still types of bad play and just because one is more common shouldn't mean that the other is any worse, not that I'm accusing you of saying that, mind you.

You're failing to strike the right balance either way, and by spamming damage spells you're basically going lazy in the other direction (See: not using regens or mapping out ogcd heals to avoid messing up your 1 button dps rotation)

i guess i understand your point. its honestly really hard to truly know how real this problem is because well... you dont clear if you wipe, so you cant really have any data on that. most of it seems anecdotal to me but maybe thats because i usually play healer and not dps.

though with how much people bring up glare, id reckon its more of the same issue whm has had since forever: the healy healer with the highest healing opportunity cost. i bet that if assize had 2 charges and misery was dps neutral then these complaints would be virtually gone.

[Plastics]

Damage hits in very scripted spots then not again for a long time. You don't need to heal everyone to 100% HP ASAP. This is something a lot of people don't seem to understand about healing. A good healer is only healing exactly as much as is required, and using a gcd heal when your ogcds will cover it is wasting those free tools. It's free healing, why would you waste it?

When you're new to a fight or doing prog with a group, it makes sense to be a little aggressive with heals as people are going to be taking vulns and you don't know where the aoes are, but once you do, you shouldn't be doing that anymore. Also, if melees want to eat vulns instead of snapshotting dodges, let them pop their wind/blood and heal themselves. The only person who should be consistently doing that is a tank because a tank basically can't die on any of the content that's in EW right now, even with 3-4 vulns.