Summoner Needs to be buffed

[Risvertasashi]

at least buff egis to do more dps than ranged classes, Mch And even BRDs are killing us, even with the last highest gear I can varely be above a bard and the instant I'm dead I go below on dps for the whole fight, sadly is easy to use but numbers aren't there, not good at all for savage :C please SE considere a buff

Death shouldn't be a balancing metric, but

If equal geared and equal skilled, the bard should be higher than you. Which is problematic in itself. SMN should either be buffed, or alternatively, the cast times and melee restrictions should be removed from absolutely every spell/skill. If other classes with no restrictions can do more damage, there's no reason for SMN to have more restrictions than them.

But that's also make SMN very boring, so I think it should just do more damage instead.

[Shuuli]

I think we all know by now that the devs usually want fair treatment of all players regardless of what they choose to play. Their goal is that people will not get party finders where a certain job is always blocked out due to lack of dps / other party benefits.

To be fair, I have seen very few PF groups yet who set their requirements where SMN had no place. But I did see some.

However, I have also seen groups requesting WHM with SGE/SCH... I hope these won't become a tendency. Not really sure why.

Again, these were VERY FEW groups. And I assume they were parsing.

So, for now, I hope for the best. Let's see what changes in January. Its almost here guys

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

I think RDM is fine where it is
everything besides MNK and RPR need a buff

Powercreep would like a word with you. Let's not trivialize content by making everything more powerful than the already broken op Monk and Reaper.

[Shiroe]

Smn utility was always and is about on par with Mnk, both with utility, therefor gud dps
(Mnks seems a tick stronger utility-wise, but Smn can rez if absolutely needed)
ranged were always the "heavy utility" dps, so they had lowest dps.., and since Mch lost lots of its utility, it has been "buffed" damage-wise..
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A nice fix to Smn, would be make one of its already existing primal moves throw out a dot too .... otherwise just buff Garuda's main skillset, that's when the Smn dps drops the most (right?)
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Why bring a Smn? atm Rdm seems to out dps it, + has some heavy dps
(Smn will start to have a hard time finding statics.. or later maybe even PFs..)

[Shiroe]

Gawd, can't edit my last post on my Mobil..

Correction & TLTR:

-Smn damage should be about as gud as Mkn's (like in the past, both gud damage with a bit of utility; similar to like Blm & Sam, both have no utility, but very gud damage)

- why bring a Smn? Rdm outclasses Smn in damage & utility (soon Smn might be cast out of some prog PFs or statics "wanna join? go rdm, not smn"..)

[Bonkleberry]

So what? SMN is not the best DPS job. We can still do enough DPS to complete Stone, Sky, and Sea, which means our DPS is fine, and the better SMN players will still out damage mediocre players of other DPS jobs. I did all four circles last night and was top DPS for all of them. SMN is not broken.

[WlyemR]

Oh yeah, SMN needs a buff. That is not even up for debate. The actual discussion is what should be buffed. As it stands, going from 79 to 80 is straight up a DPS loss because of the tradeoff of Deathflare for Rekindle. The easiest solution would be to buff the Phoenix autos or their GCDs in some way. Other than that, some slight buffs to Gemshine and Precious Brilliance would be in order. Also need take Ruin IV off the GCD.

[Risvertasashi]

...why do so many people want to take things off the GCD? No, please don't do that. Taking Ruin 4 off the GCD, or Ifrit's melee off the GCD, or so on and so forth means more ruin 3 casts. More ruin 3 casts would not be fun.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment, just... let's not pad in R3.

[Rika007]

Oh yeah, SMN needs a buff. That is not even up for debate. The actual discussion is what should be buffed. As it stands, going from 79 to 80 is straight up a DPS loss because of the tradeoff of Deathflare for Rekindle. The easiest solution would be to buff the Phoenix autos or their GCDs in some way. Other than that, some slight buffs to Gemshine and Precious Brilliance would be in order. Also need take Ruin IV off the GCD.

Personally I think putting Energy Drain back to the Shadowbringers level of 30 seconds and also making it so you can enkindle Bahamut and Pheonix twice again would do more then enough damage wise and also help the job feel better as well. If that would be enough (or too much) raw potency wise for SMN's Damage will have to obviously be looked at and potencies adjusted based on which way it goes, but I just feel like pushing ED to one minute and Enkindle to only once per trace were two of those changes the devs did not realize would have as big of an impact on the damage as it would.

[dinnertime]

...why do so many people want to take things off the GCD? No, please don't do that. Taking Ruin 4 off the GCD, or Ifrit's melee off the GCD, or so on and so forth means more ruin 3 casts. More ruin 3 casts would not be fun.

I don't disagree with the overall sentiment, just... let's not pad in R3.

You literally only press Ruin 3 once every minute. A couple more would not make the job any more boring than it actually is because now SMN is just insta-cast Ruin Mage in 5 different flavors.