Current EX trial completed without Healers

[Sebazy]

No matter how true your reasonsing behind the disappointment in current healer, surely there're many other better evidence than quoting the statement which devs did not say?

I probably should have been clearer but I also get the feeling that you're misreading what I'm saying.

The Mr Happy interview was disappointing because it skirted around the issues I had been raising here for years now. Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida. This suggested that we were in for a repeat of Shadowbringers with SE plugging their fingers in their ears and plowing on forward with healers.

The Zepla interview was quite a contrast in how candidly Yoshida replied, perhaps there was less scripting? Perhaps Zepla went off script entirely? I couldn't say but it was a more interesting take and it contrasted with his response to Mr Happy ****IN MY HUMBLE OPINION**** (just to make that clear).

I'm not trying to suggest that they are making statements that they are not. You can leave that to the people that still take the whole Gordias 'healers aren't counted into DPS requirements' comedy as gospel. Thanks.

Then perhapes current healing isn't meant for you?

Things change. Old healer design keeps away certain groups of people. New healer design draws in new groups groups of people, but alienates the others.

Maybe it's your turn to get alienated?

The real question here is, why should a game with 4 distinct healer jobs spread across 2 distinct healer types be alienating anyone?

[Sebazy]

Managing cool downs/Resources as you describe is not “fun” to players like me that is what you don’t get. The current state of weaving constantly and making sure you stay alive /plus figuring out what abilities are best used where as well as optimal positioning is fun.

You could safely and comfortably clear Zodiark EX in PF with only Indom, Soil and Raise on your bars (assuming they don't kick you for not DPSing at least!)

Have you ever considered that the 'current state of weaving constantly' is a by product of the always be nuking corner that SE have squeezed themselves into further and further with each expansion?

And please, how on earth do you take people complaining about a fight not needing enough healing as 'raiders ruining things by trying to optimise everything'? How do those two things even connect? Zodiark is a dream come true for a healer that just wants big logs, because the incoming damage is so spaced apart that you always have your full oGCD kit up to deal with it. A vaguely competent PF pug won't even see the second Phobos.

And yet here we are, complaining about it. Because we actually want something to heal. Those horrible evil raiders

[RinaShinomiya]

You guys need to realise they are making such "claims" solely to rile you up, and no other reason. I know, "but should we let claim go unchallenged?", but it ain't a claim. Just an excuse to make this thread toxic and make you mad.
Just act like they aren't there, and keep discussing. I assure you, they have been going at it for months, and they aren't the first one. I'm sure you can dig up the "Happy Healer in 5.0" thread to see that this kind of gaslighting/general behaviour has been here since ShB media tour, if not earlier. Engaging with it will only make it continue further and further. I know it's hard, but please don't pay them attention.

ill just bump this post. Replying to AFuzzyMu11in is a waste of time and since i don't know them personally i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are trolling.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

ill just bump this post. Replying to AFuzzyMu11in is a waste of time and since i don't know them personally i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are trolling.

Regardless whether they are trolling or not, it is very clear what they want is radically different than what's being discussed here and they had made themselves clear from other threads in the past. There's no more meaningful discussion can be made, they're simply repeating all they've spouted before.

[Aword3213]

I probably should have been clearer but I also get the feeling that you're misreading what I'm saying.

The Mr Happy interview was disappointing because it skirted around the issues I had been raising here for years now. Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida. This suggested that we were in for a repeat of Shadowbringers with SE plugging their fingers in their ears and plowing on forward with healers.

The Zepla interview was quite a contrast in how candidly Yoshida replied, perhaps there was less scripting? Perhaps Zepla went off script entirely? I couldn't say but it was a more interesting take and it contrasted with his response to Mr Happy ****IN MY HUMBLE OPINION**** (just to make that clear).

I'm not trying to suggest that they are making statements that they are not. You can leave that to the people that still take the whole Gordias 'healers aren't counted into DPS requirements' comedy as gospel. Thanks.

You're mistaking my point. These has nothing to do with my original reply.

What the developer actually said is right there for you to examine. Feel free to judge Yoshida all you want.

As pointed out in other reply, certain posts ***clting*** Yoshida statement were simply not true at all. Enjoy your guesswork all you want, but the acutal statement and the statement quoted by some people in these forum simply don't match.

Whether the statement reflects what we see in the game is another matter, but that's not why I'm here.

If one wants to cite the statement made by the developer, at least do it correctly.

This has nothing to do with my perosnal take on healing design. Surely you understand my whole post was only about the citation, right? riiiight? but now I see what you're trying to label me . That says a lot about you

The real question here is, why should a game with 4 distinct healer jobs spread across 2 distinct healer types be alienating anyone?

suggestive question. It's common knowledge that nothing can please every one. There will always be some groups being alienated.

By the way, I'm not usually the type that tells people to walk away when they complain. Try ask your question to the person who was doing the "alienate" stuff, which would be the one I quoted from. I'm not the expert on such matter

[Sebazy]

This has nothing to do with my perosnal take on healing design. Surely you understand my whole post was only about the citation, right? riiiight? but now I see what you're trying to label me . That says a lot about you

What the heck are you even going on about? Are you desperately trying to find some kind of personal attack in everything I say?

I simply stated I was disappointed with Yoshida's responses in the Mr Happy interview.

I then added that I felt that the Zepla interview was better. It felt less of a canned corporate response.

If you think I'm trying to imply that you are amongst the Gordias interview preachers, I'm not. I'm simply providing an example of where people genuinely and clearly are twisting the developers words and context. It's clarity, not accusation.

suggestive question. It's common knowledge that nothing can please every one. There will always be some groups being alienated.

Then how should I phrase it? It's an important question and it needs to be asked.

*edit* you know what? Don't answer that. I'm just going to treat you the same way that you try to treat others here. Enjoy

[AFuzzyMu11in]

at this point--

its sad the only content where i actually get to use my whole kit is ultimate, and we'll only get 1 of those every 2-3 years

This is such a vast overexageration. In just NORMALS I have had to expend idom+sacred soil+fey union+ fey blessing+protraction+expedient+succor+emergency provisions+ LUSTRATE.

Okay, coming back to this topic with a clearer head on my part:

A big problem with FFXIV at the moment is that healing requirements are absolutely minimal in almost all forms of content, even the highest-end raids. And it's pretty gross that the two hardest fights in the game can be cleared without a healer ---But we can't have the Sylphies being distressed, can we?

The solution to the statement; "I want to have fun playing healers." Should not be "Go do Ultimate."

The solution to your problem is to realize you still will use majority of your buttons, but you will be weaving broil with them. It's extremely interactive honestly, and if you think it isn't then healing really isn't the job for you. This isn't meant to be offense but the current iteration of healing is truly perfect to players like me.

You could safely and comfortably clear Zodiark EX in PF with only Indom, Soil and Raise on your bars (assuming they don't kick you for not DPSing at least!)

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And yet here we are, complaining about it. Because we actually want something to heal. Those horrible evil raiders

This is your problem, as a high end hyper optimized raider, your vision of what you see is "competent/good" is vastly pushed in the direction of the top 5% of the game or less. As a average player myself I see runs that make me see multiple mechanics etc. And to restate what I said earlier!

"This is such a vast overexageration. In just NORMALS I have had to expend idom+sacred soil+fey union+ fey blessing+protraction+expedient+succor+emergency provisions+ LUSTRATE." ALL had to be used on ex1/ex2 because people are not as GOOD as you think they are, or they don't gear up whatever take your pick.

[Deceptus]

Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida.

This confirms my earlier Shadowbringers suspicions that the questions were pre-vetted and they were told what they could ask and what they couldn't ask. If not explicitly, then very generally "we would prefer if you wouldn't ask about that topic".

[Sebazy]

This is such a vast overexageration. In just NORMALS I have had to expend idom+sacred soil+fey union+ fey blessing+protraction+expedient+succor+emergency provisions+ LUSTRATE.

Ok, the trolling is getting a little bit blatant now. No one's going to bother engaging with you if you're this obvious about it.

This is your problem, as a high end hyper optimized raider, your vision of what you see is "competent/good" is vastly pushed in the direction of the top 5% of the game or less. As a average player myself I see runs that make me see multiple mechanics etc. And to restate what I said earlier!

Gonna link this to my group. Look ma, I'm a high end hyper optimised raider now because the forum comedian says so.

Lol

[Sebazy]

This confirms my earlier Shadowbringers suspicions that the questions were pre-vetted and they were told what they could ask and what they couldn't ask.

That's a bit of a harsh way of looking at it tbh.

To quote Mr Happy himself:

In addition, that would have been sidelined by a "we're overhauling our healers quite a bit in Endwalker so please wait a little longer for more information". I've done a few of these and know which questions are more likely to illicit a response he can answer.

- Source

It's pretty fair to say that he didn't want to ask the sort of questions that would either get a completely useless answer or worse, make SE less inclined to give him direct interviews in the future. It's not really fair to fault him for either of those points even if it did result in an unsatisfactory QA from our perspective.

It's pretty much a given that the questions were pre-vetted though. But then that's a rather sad norm in these sort of things =/