Current EX trial completed without Healers

[AFuzzyMu11in]

I'm not a high raider with a static. If anything I pug. That's one.

I'm just a healer who's been around the MMO block. Healing in other MMOs is actually challenging. Its not here. There is no resource management with mana outside of WHM rn. If you're AST between Lucid and Astrodyne you'll rarely run out of mana. Even with raises.

There is no managing cool downs. Like I said with Exaltation everything doesn't come up often enough. And even IF there is a buster that I can't cover with Exalt I have two charges of unecessary CI that's on an absurdly short CD. I can cover raidwides, which are also roughly on a 60s timer with ES and/or CO. I don't even use CU unless there's a stack marker or an Ahk Morn that I don't have an ES to cover. And don't get me started on Horoscope. Most of Shb I felt it was either it or CO and I like Celestial better. I still do but I'll use it more now since I can Helios it and just pop it when I want it.

So, two things I find fun with healing nonexistant in the game. What else is there?

Managing cool downs/Resources as you describe is not “fun” to players like me that is what you don’t get. The current state of weaving constantly and making sure you stay alive /plus figuring out what abilities are best used where as well as optimal positioning is fun. Learning mechanics outside of ex1 rotation geometry is fun. What you described is “challenging fun” for those who want to be frustrated by the stress of being pushed to the brink. That isn’t fun for the majority and thank god the game isn’t balanced around you or majority wouldn’t play it. Aka the people like myself who quit healing early 2.0 over stuff like cleric stance.

[ASkellington]

Managing cool downs/Resources as you describe is not “fun” to players like me that is what you don’t get. The current state of weaving constantly and making sure you stay alive /plus figuring out what abilities are best used where as well as optimal positioning is fun. Learning mechanics outside of ex1 rotation geometry is fun. What you described is “challenging fun” for those who want to be frustrated by the stress of being pushed to the brink. That isn’t fun for the majority and thank god the game isn’t balanced around you or majority wouldn’t play it. Aka the people like myself who quit healing early 2.0 over stuff like cleric stance.

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

[OtakuSempai]

Managing cool downs/Resources as you describe is not “fun” to players like me that is what you don’t get. The current state of weaving constantly and making sure you stay alive /plus figuring out what abilities are best used where as well as optimal positioning is fun. Learning mechanics outside of ex1 rotation geometry is fun. What you described is “challenging fun” for those who want to be frustrated by the stress of being pushed to the brink. That isn’t fun for the majority and thank god the game isn’t balanced around you or majority wouldn’t play it. Aka the people like myself who quit healing early 2.0 over stuff like cleric stance.

Yeah, managing anything outside of 1 button spam and moving out of bad would literally just make my head explode too. Besides, what kind of RPG makes you manage your resources anyway? Would be literally unplayable, like the game was back in HW.

[Sunhwapark]

Idk, 5 unavoidable aoes over the span of 10 minutes isn't particularly challenging, especially considering there is conveniently new + strong healer abilities that let you ignore those instances of unavoidable damage too. (hint: lilybell, panhaima, macrocosmos etc.)

The fights looked pretty at least.

[Aword3213]

If I'm not mistaken I think we got some pretty mixed messages on healing between the different community interviews Yoshida did for Endwalker no?

I remember one of the earlier ones being really quite disappointing (Mr Happy's?) whilst he opened up and actually gave some interesting answers in one of the later ones (Zepla?).

How accurate and true to the game said answers are are of course rather questionable. I can't fault what Yoshida's done for this game but it's been shown on several occasions over the years that he doesn't always correctly understand it's finer workings.

I rewatched Mr.happy's interview (Q3:Glare Mage)and found no information regarding healing requirement. In fact, his question was specifically about dps tools for healers and the answer he got addressed said topic.

I understand the arguement that they failed to deliver the healing intensity we've been promised, but it's disheartnening to see people resort to twisting the statement from the developers just to make strong arguement.

No matter how true your reasonsing behind the disappointment in current healer, surely there're many other better evidence than quoting the statement which devs did not say?

[Aword3213]

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

Then perhapes current healing isn't meant for you?

Things change. Old healer design keeps away certain groups of people. New healer design draws in new groups groups of people, but alienates the others.

Maybe it's your turn to get alienated?

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

This is false, the same players would be complaining because the root of the problem is people just getting better and getting bored. Those dedicated players who reach the top will always be bored, and trying to make them happy is pointless, its best to appease the masses aka the non static try hard raiders and focus on the people who just want to play the game and clear. Case in point Ex1. Some people like myself choose not to learn Ex1 but follow the triangle, others want to learn the mechanics for themselves, so they can improve even if they can clear with a basic understanding of them by following the triangle.

Yeah, managing anything outside of 1 button spam and moving out of bad would literally just make my head explode too. Besides, what kind of RPG makes you manage your resources anyway? Would be literally unplayable, like the game was back in HW.

HW was extremely difficult and very unfun for a lot of people to play, hence why the game has not gone back in that direction. You are the minority face that.

Idk, 5 unavoidable aoes over the span of 10 minutes isn't particularly challenging, especially considering there is conveniently new + strong healer abilities that let you ignore those instances of unavoidable damage too. (hint: lilybell, panhaima, macrocosmos etc.)

The fights looked pretty at least.

That is a vast exaggeration, those skills all are very strong but they are not up every instance you would want them, and you must manage other spells etc WHILE staying alive and avoiding death AND dpsing. I think the try hard static raiders really should try to see things from people like me who ENJOY the "one button spam" and still enjoy doing raids/savage/alliance/extremes. Clearing and farming them is still fun even if you think the job is boring. To us its not boring its exciting and involves lots of movement, thought, and high emotions. I can put on some music rap/lofi/house etc during a fight and really vibe it out.

[Rolder50]

I rewatched Mr.happy's interview (Q3:Glare Mage)and found no information regarding healing requirement. In fact, his question was specifically about dps tools for healers and the answer he got addressed said topic.

I understand the arguement that they failed to deliver the healing intensity we've been promised, but it's disheartnening to see people resort to twisting the statement from the developers just to make strong arguement.

No matter how true your reasonsing behind the disappointment in current healer, surely there're many other better evidence than quoting the statement which devs did not say?

I'm just going to copy a post I made earlier since you seem to have missed it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAbCjPPS1RQ

Interview done in the Endwalker media tour. Healing question starts at 2:44 with reply at 4:25. Quote from yoshi-p, through his translator of course, "So with the fundamental thinking behind how we're adjusting healers, and this pertains to 5.x and beyond, we have been trying to make it so that healers are more - will require for them to perform more heals - so the content damage that you are receiving becomes a little more intense so that healers are a bit more busy."

Instead of making it "a little more intense" they seem have done, well, absolutely nothing at best and easier then it was already at worst.

[QooEr]

at this point i dont even expect savage to hit hard anymore, just from looking at shb savages. ill be pleasantly surprised if pandemonium makes me remember macrocosmos or exaltation are even on my hotbar but im not holding my breath

its sad the only content where i actually get to use my whole kit is ultimate, and we'll only get 1 of those every 2-3 years

[Videra]

Okay, coming back to this topic with a clearer head on my part:

A big problem with FFXIV at the moment is that healing requirements are absolutely minimal in almost all forms of content, even the highest-end raids. And it's pretty gross that the two hardest fights in the game can be cleared without a healer - I also rescind my meme comp comment, as four dancers and two reapers is very strong because Reaper is OVERTUNED AS SHIT. The growing irrelevance of healers and SE's insistence on doing absolutely nothing about it because it would 'Alienate' healer players is infuriating. (Read: Free Cure Users) But we can't have the Sylphies being distressed, can we?

The solution to the statement; "I want to have fun playing healers." Should not be "Go do Ultimate."