Current EX trial completed without Healers

[ASkellington]

Managing cool downs/Resources as you describe is not “fun” to players like me that is what you don’t get. The current state of weaving constantly and making sure you stay alive /plus figuring out what abilities are best used where as well as optimal positioning is fun. Learning mechanics outside of ex1 rotation geometry is fun. What you described is “challenging fun” for those who want to be frustrated by the stress of being pushed to the brink. That isn’t fun for the majority and thank god the game isn’t balanced around you or majority wouldn’t play it. Aka the people like myself who quit healing early 2.0 over stuff like cleric stance.

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

[Aword3213]

Then perhaps healing wasn't meant for you?

If healing was still the same in 2.0 as it is now (with some changes obviously) people who want to play healer, would be wanting to play them.

Then perhapes current healing isn't meant for you?

Things change. Old healer design keeps away certain groups of people. New healer design draws in new groups groups of people, but alienates the others.

Maybe it's your turn to get alienated?

[Sebazy]

No matter how true your reasonsing behind the disappointment in current healer, surely there're many other better evidence than quoting the statement which devs did not say?

I probably should have been clearer but I also get the feeling that you're misreading what I'm saying.

The Mr Happy interview was disappointing because it skirted around the issues I had been raising here for years now. Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida. This suggested that we were in for a repeat of Shadowbringers with SE plugging their fingers in their ears and plowing on forward with healers.

The Zepla interview was quite a contrast in how candidly Yoshida replied, perhaps there was less scripting? Perhaps Zepla went off script entirely? I couldn't say but it was a more interesting take and it contrasted with his response to Mr Happy ****IN MY HUMBLE OPINION**** (just to make that clear).

I'm not trying to suggest that they are making statements that they are not. You can leave that to the people that still take the whole Gordias 'healers aren't counted into DPS requirements' comedy as gospel. Thanks.

Then perhapes current healing isn't meant for you?

Things change. Old healer design keeps away certain groups of people. New healer design draws in new groups groups of people, but alienates the others.

Maybe it's your turn to get alienated?

The real question here is, why should a game with 4 distinct healer jobs spread across 2 distinct healer types be alienating anyone?

[Aword3213]

I probably should have been clearer but I also get the feeling that you're misreading what I'm saying.

The Mr Happy interview was disappointing because it skirted around the issues I had been raising here for years now. Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida. This suggested that we were in for a repeat of Shadowbringers with SE plugging their fingers in their ears and plowing on forward with healers.

The Zepla interview was quite a contrast in how candidly Yoshida replied, perhaps there was less scripting? Perhaps Zepla went off script entirely? I couldn't say but it was a more interesting take and it contrasted with his response to Mr Happy ****IN MY HUMBLE OPINION**** (just to make that clear).

I'm not trying to suggest that they are making statements that they are not. You can leave that to the people that still take the whole Gordias 'healers aren't counted into DPS requirements' comedy as gospel. Thanks.

You're mistaking my point. These has nothing to do with my original reply.

What the developer actually said is right there for you to examine. Feel free to judge Yoshida all you want.

As pointed out in other reply, certain posts ***clting*** Yoshida statement were simply not true at all. Enjoy your guesswork all you want, but the acutal statement and the statement quoted by some people in these forum simply don't match.

Whether the statement reflects what we see in the game is another matter, but that's not why I'm here.

If one wants to cite the statement made by the developer, at least do it correctly.

This has nothing to do with my perosnal take on healing design. Surely you understand my whole post was only about the citation, right? riiiight? but now I see what you're trying to label me . That says a lot about you

The real question here is, why should a game with 4 distinct healer jobs spread across 2 distinct healer types be alienating anyone?

suggestive question. It's common knowledge that nothing can please every one. There will always be some groups being alienated.

By the way, I'm not usually the type that tells people to walk away when they complain. Try ask your question to the person who was doing the "alienate" stuff, which would be the one I quoted from. I'm not the expert on such matter

[Sebazy]

This has nothing to do with my perosnal take on healing design. Surely you understand my whole post was only about the citation, right? riiiight? but now I see what you're trying to label me . That says a lot about you

What the heck are you even going on about? Are you desperately trying to find some kind of personal attack in everything I say?

I simply stated I was disappointed with Yoshida's responses in the Mr Happy interview.

I then added that I felt that the Zepla interview was better. It felt less of a canned corporate response.

If you think I'm trying to imply that you are amongst the Gordias interview preachers, I'm not. I'm simply providing an example of where people genuinely and clearly are twisting the developers words and context. It's clarity, not accusation.

suggestive question. It's common knowledge that nothing can please every one. There will always be some groups being alienated.

Then how should I phrase it? It's an important question and it needs to be asked.

*edit* you know what? Don't answer that. I'm just going to treat you the same way that you try to treat others here. Enjoy

[AFuzzyMu11in]

at this point--

its sad the only content where i actually get to use my whole kit is ultimate, and we'll only get 1 of those every 2-3 years

This is such a vast overexageration. In just NORMALS I have had to expend idom+sacred soil+fey union+ fey blessing+protraction+expedient+succor+emergency provisions+ LUSTRATE.

Okay, coming back to this topic with a clearer head on my part:

A big problem with FFXIV at the moment is that healing requirements are absolutely minimal in almost all forms of content, even the highest-end raids. And it's pretty gross that the two hardest fights in the game can be cleared without a healer ---But we can't have the Sylphies being distressed, can we?

The solution to the statement; "I want to have fun playing healers." Should not be "Go do Ultimate."

The solution to your problem is to realize you still will use majority of your buttons, but you will be weaving broil with them. It's extremely interactive honestly, and if you think it isn't then healing really isn't the job for you. This isn't meant to be offense but the current iteration of healing is truly perfect to players like me.

You could safely and comfortably clear Zodiark EX in PF with only Indom, Soil and Raise on your bars (assuming they don't kick you for not DPSing at least!)

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And yet here we are, complaining about it. Because we actually want something to heal. Those horrible evil raiders

This is your problem, as a high end hyper optimized raider, your vision of what you see is "competent/good" is vastly pushed in the direction of the top 5% of the game or less. As a average player myself I see runs that make me see multiple mechanics etc. And to restate what I said earlier!

"This is such a vast overexageration. In just NORMALS I have had to expend idom+sacred soil+fey union+ fey blessing+protraction+expedient+succor+emergency provisions+ LUSTRATE." ALL had to be used on ex1/ex2 because people are not as GOOD as you think they are, or they don't gear up whatever take your pick.

[Sebazy]

This is such a vast overexageration. In just NORMALS I have had to expend idom+sacred soil+fey union+ fey blessing+protraction+expedient+succor+emergency provisions+ LUSTRATE.

Ok, the trolling is getting a little bit blatant now. No one's going to bother engaging with you if you're this obvious about it.

This is your problem, as a high end hyper optimized raider, your vision of what you see is "competent/good" is vastly pushed in the direction of the top 5% of the game or less. As a average player myself I see runs that make me see multiple mechanics etc. And to restate what I said earlier!

Gonna link this to my group. Look ma, I'm a high end hyper optimised raider now because the forum comedian says so.

Lol

[Aword3213]

What the heck are you even going on about? Are you desperately trying to find some kind of personal attack in everything I say?

umm, no? what makes you think of that?

I simply stated I was disappointed with Yoshida's responses in the Mr Happy interview.

I then added that I felt that the Zepla interview was better. It felt less of a canned corporate response.

Yes, I have already addressed that. You see, my replies were about the statement that was intentionally twisted by many others. My first reply towards you wasn't even pointing finger at you in the slightest. While it's true I should have use a better pronoun to prevent confusion, the full contenxt of my reply was meant to correspond with my initial reply.

I don't even understand why you felt the need to explain again when my first reply towards you already stated that "I understand the arguement that they failed to deliver the healing intensity we've been promised, but it's disheartnening to see people resort to twisting the statement from the developers just to make strong arguement."

I know what you're trying to say and my statement has acknowledged the discrepcy between the official statement and in game environment. I simply wanted to get back to my original topic: the citation.

That's why in my second reply I said"feel free to judge Yoshida all you want." We've still yet to see what we've been promised, and they deserved to be called out and critized. It's within your right and I don't even plan on arguing. Then you brought out Zelpha. Speculation is not my strong suit, so I decided to just leave you at that.

I simply want to get very clear about the topic of my original post and now "I'm desperately trying to find some kind of personal attack in everything I say? "

I think I could say the same to you

If you think I'm trying to imply that you are amongst the Gordias interview preachers, I'm not. I'm simply providing an example of where people genuinely and clearly are twisting the developers words and context. It's clarity, not accusation.

That "Thanks" at the end of your post is certainly, totally, absolutely not snarky at all.

*edit* you know what? Don't answer that. I'm just going to treat you the same way that you try to treat others here. Enjoy

You're welcome to, though I don't know what you're getting at. You're mad because I play UNO card on others?

[Sebazy]

That "Thanks" at the end of your post is certainly, totally, absolutely not snarky at all.

Then I suggest you get a grip of both your feelings and the English language itself before you come here swinging big words around like they mean anything.

You're welcome to, though I don't know what you're getting at. You're mad because I play UNO card on others?

No, because you are clinically incapable of accepting when you are wrong.

Case in point: I corrected a statement of yours here

It's a trait you share with a few people on here. Funnily enough the same tiny little group that does their utmost to decry, discredit and derail so much of the conversation here.

I look forward to you arguing your way out of that one. Make it entertaining.

Thanks

[Deceptus]

Clearly there was backlash over it as I distinctly remember Mr Happy having to comment later that his hands were tied with what he could ask Yoshida.

This confirms my earlier Shadowbringers suspicions that the questions were pre-vetted and they were told what they could ask and what they couldn't ask. If not explicitly, then very generally "we would prefer if you wouldn't ask about that topic".