Gear that Deletes racial features needs to not be a thing

[RhaesDaenys]

Its insane that things hide tails. I picked Au'ra for the aestetics. Horns. Tails. If they suddenly came out with a helmet that hid my horns I'd be -livid-.

I don't want this to become the norm. Hiding tails because they can't be half bothered to be inclusive of all races. Its lazy. Create a toggle. Let the player decide if they want to display their tail clipping through the armor or not.

[SaberMaxwell]

Ideally there just wouldn't be clipping or something, but I'd say if you don't want a race that has a tail and everything that comes with it (including clipping), play a different race. Most people picked the one they play for the features it actually has.

The reason this is an issue is because it's a sudden change. They've never hidden tails on armor just because they clip before.

You're never going to sell me on it being cool to have my tail poke through a cape, I'm never going to sell you on hiding the tail and pretending it's just under the cape. This is why I argue in favor of the option for show/hide tail, so we can both be happy. Make it client-side like /gaussbarrel used to be, even, it doesn't super matter. There are plenty of reasons to pick a race besides its physical features, including its animation sets which can set a mood or "tone" for the character.

[Tweed]

you have a point, but I've never been a fan of the 'change race' argument, especially when most early pieces accommodate tails. I feel there is more to races than just tails and ears.

Surely its easier to not wear those two chest pieces that hide the tail than recommend people change race.

[Knot_D]

So people prefer erected tail now or something?

[RhaesDaenys]

No, I prefer not having my tail severed from my body without my consent.

If we allow them to just make this choice and delete tails, how long until they just start deleting tails on all future armors because 'clipping'.

Whats the point of being Mi'qote or Au'ra if they just remove all tails and ears.

How long until a helmet somehow deletes Au'ra horns?

[Arzalis]

You're never going to sell me on it being cool to have my tail poke through a cape, I'm never going to sell you on hiding the tail and pretending it's just under the cape. This is why I argue in favor of the option for show/hide tail, so we can both be happy. Make it client-side like /gaussbarrel used to be, even, it doesn't super matter. There are plenty of reasons to pick a race besides its physical features, including its animation sets which can set a mood or "tone" for the character.

I don't need to sell on you anything. If you don't want a tail, don't play miqo'te, au ra, or hrothgar. It's literally that simple.

Ultimately removing tails is a terrible band-aid fix for the real problem, which is the fact that SE designs armor for hyur despite the fact the majority of their playerbase plays characters with tails. I've accepted there will be clipping because they won't do this, but legitimately removing character customization options is a really, really bad choice for a game like this.

I dislike calling devs of any game lazy because I know there's a lot of work that goes into this, but it's hard not to see this as the laziest solution to an entirely self-inflicted problem. Imagine if their solution for hair clipping was to just remove the hair of everyone who wore the chestpiece. A bit extreme, but there's not much difference.

[reivaxe]

Ideally there just wouldn't be clipping or something, but I'd say if you don't want a race that has a tail and everything that comes with it (including clipping), play a different race. Most people picked the one they play for the features it actually has.

The reason this is an issue is because it's a sudden change. They've never hidden tails on armor just because they clip before.

This post answers ... nothing.
So what, people shouldn't have the option to hide tail (Something in canon Miqote CAN and HAVE done) because you personally have the thought that "If you don't like every single thing about a race then you should play something else"?

Asking for the option to show/hide tail makes everyone happy. More options for people to customize their character that require basically no effort is always better.
Until then, this is a fair solution. The game has years worth of gear with tail clipping, making new gear that takes the tail away when it gets in the way of design is fine.

[Arzalis]

This post answers ... nothing.
So what, people shouldn't have the option to hide tail (Something in canon Miqote CAN and HAVE done) because you personally have the thought that "If you don't like every single thing about a race then you should play something else"?

Asking for the option to show/hide tail makes everyone happy. More options for people to customize their character that require basically no effort is always better.
Until then, this is a fair solution. The game has years worth of gear with tail clipping, making new gear that takes the tail away when it gets in the way of design is fine.

This is a non-solution because you and I both know they will never implement this.

More options is better though, I agree. Tell you what. How about until they add that toggle, they can keep doing tails the way they have in the past and not chop them off?

[reivaxe]

This is a non-solution because you and I both know they will never implement this.

More options is better though, I agree. Tell you what. How about until they add that toggle, they can keep doing tails the way they have in the past and not chop them off?

How?
How do WE know this? I'm only playing Viera to wait for Hrothgals, so I didn't notice this change until this thread ... up until now they NEVER hide the tail unless a top gear had a tail already. This is completely new and something they have never done before to gear like this. As someone who hated seeing capes for jobs I like because my Miqote tail would break all immersion with it's clipping, I LOVE this new direction for what it means for tailed races in the future.

So how about this, until they make a show/ hide tail option they hide the tails when it makes sense and expand the library of capes that don't have tails clipping through for those who want that look?

[Arzalis]

How?
How do WE know this? I'm only playing Viera to wait for Hrothgals, so I didn't notice this change until this thread ... up until now they NEVER hide the tail unless a top gear had a tail already. This is completely new and something they have never done before to gear like this. As someone who hated seeing capes for jobs I like because my Miqote tail would break all immersion with it's clipping, I LOVE this new direction for what it means for tailed races in the future.

So how about this, until they make a show/ hide tail option they hide the tails when it makes sense and expand the library of capes that don't have tails clipping through for those who want that look?

Sure. Only if they also remove hair entirely from gear that clips too. Like the Uraeus coat. Maybe some folks like the bald high collar look, so we should force it on everyone for specific pieces of gear.

Removing character customization because it interferes with the design of the gear is fine, right?