Gear that Deletes racial features needs to not be a thing

[reivaxe]

This is a non-solution because you and I both know they will never implement this.

More options is better though, I agree. Tell you what. How about until they add that toggle, they can keep doing tails the way they have in the past and not chop them off?

How?
How do WE know this? I'm only playing Viera to wait for Hrothgals, so I didn't notice this change until this thread ... up until now they NEVER hide the tail unless a top gear had a tail already. This is completely new and something they have never done before to gear like this. As someone who hated seeing capes for jobs I like because my Miqote tail would break all immersion with it's clipping, I LOVE this new direction for what it means for tailed races in the future.

So how about this, until they make a show/ hide tail option they hide the tails when it makes sense and expand the library of capes that don't have tails clipping through for those who want that look?

[Arzalis]

How?
How do WE know this? I'm only playing Viera to wait for Hrothgals, so I didn't notice this change until this thread ... up until now they NEVER hide the tail unless a top gear had a tail already. This is completely new and something they have never done before to gear like this. As someone who hated seeing capes for jobs I like because my Miqote tail would break all immersion with it's clipping, I LOVE this new direction for what it means for tailed races in the future.

So how about this, until they make a show/ hide tail option they hide the tails when it makes sense and expand the library of capes that don't have tails clipping through for those who want that look?

Sure. Only if they also remove hair entirely from gear that clips too. Like the Uraeus coat. Maybe some folks like the bald high collar look, so we should force it on everyone for specific pieces of gear.

Removing character customization because it interferes with the design of the gear is fine, right?

[reivaxe]

Sure. Only if they also remove hair entirely from gear that clips too. Like the Uraeus coat. Maybe some folks like the bald high collar look, so we should force it on everyone for specific pieces of gear.

Removing character customization because it interferes with the design of the gear is fine, right?

They already do a version of this.
They chop off long hair if you wear certain hats, hairstyles have a hat hair model for this reason ... cause not every hairstyle easily works for every hat they want to make.
Hair=head stuff, tails=body stuff.

[RhaesDaenys]

They already do a version of this.
They chop off long hair if you wear certain hats, hairstyles have a hat hair model for this reason ... cause not every hairstyle easily works for every hat they want to make.
Hair=head stuff, tails=body stuff.

And thats not what they're saying.

They're saying make it so you equip a -chest- armor deletes your hair. All of it. Not just the bits that headgear does already. But the ENTIRE bit of your hair. You're now bald because you decided to put on a chestpiece that had high shoulderpads.

[reivaxe]

No thank you. If they're so worried about clipping, animate a tail that fits under the cloak. Seriously. Don't be lazy and just lop the thing off. Make actual armor that makes sense.

It's easy to call something lazy from your armchair.

And thats not what they're saying.

They're saying make it so you equip a -chest- armor deletes your hair. All of it. Not just the bits that headgear does already. But the ENTIRE bit of your hair. You're now bald because you decided to put on a chestpiece that had high shoulderpads.

What they're saying, to be blunt, is nonsense.
How is that the same at all? Jackets deal with body stuff, tails are body stuff.

Head stuff is ... head stuff. They will assume you're a functioning human being that's seen a cat before and can parse out that "Cat ears can lay down flat on the skull with no problem" when making hats like this and this. They don't care what hairstyle you pick, if you use certain hats it's gone because it doesn't work well with them.

Furthermore, they have a long history of changing your character's customization choices to suite an aesthetic. Be it replacing ears and tails for werewolf gear, chopping hair for hats or giving you max boob for certain outfits.

And again, no one's even pointed out WHY this shouldn't be a toggle. It's legit the best option that takes nothing away from either camp. If they're not gonna do a toggle then I agree with their direction on this, turn off the tail for things that make sense and leave it on for anything else. They're prob not gonna go back and retroactively do this to gear but if this is how they handle things for now on then good on them.

[RhaesDaenys]

It's easy to call something lazy from your armchair.


What they're saying, to be blunt, is nonsense.
How is that the same at all? Jackets deal with body stuff, tails are body stuff.

Head stuff is ... head stuff. They will assume you're a functioning human being that's seen a cat before and can parse out that "Cat ears can lay down flat on the skull with no problem" when making hats like this and this. They don't care what hairstyle you pick, if you use certain hats it's gone because it doesn't work well with them.

Furthermore, they have a long history of changing your character's customization choices to suite an aesthetic. Be it replacing ears and tails for werewolf gear, chopping hair for hats or giving you max boob for certain outfits.

And again, no one's even pointed out WHY this shouldn't be a toggle. It's legit the best option that takes nothing away from either camp. If they're not gonna do a toggle then I agree with their direction on this, turn off the tail for things that make sense and leave it on for anything else. They're prob not gonna go back and retroactively do this to gear but if this is how they handle things for now on then good on them.

No. Tails are -pants- stuff. Not torso stuff. And its a big freaking deal okay? I didn't make an Au'ra to have one of my races defining features just be OPTIONAL because of devs not wanting 'clipping'.

[SturmChurro]

No. Tails are -pants- stuff. Not torso stuff. And its a big freaking deal okay? I didn't make an Au'ra to have one of my races defining features just be OPTIONAL because of devs not wanting 'clipping'.

Pretty much. SE should have thought of that before they added tailed races. It makes it feel more like cutting corners, rather than a proper attempt at quality control. If they are going to make a toggle, instead of removing racial features, it should actually be something along the lines of a cape toggle instead - if they are so intent on continuously adding them to tops.

[Iscah]

No. Tails are -pants- stuff. Not torso stuff.

They're somewhere between the two, and all evidence points to the developer-controlled show/hide toggle switch being attached to the torso piece. It's the Evenstar coat (not the tights) that hides the tail because it has the fake one built into the coat, and now it's the Moonward body pieces doing the same thing.

[reivaxe]

No. Tails are -pants- stuff. Not torso stuff. And its a big freaking deal okay? I didn't make an Au'ra to have one of my races defining features just be OPTIONAL because of devs not wanting 'clipping'.

No, tails are torso stuff. It's why a number of CHEST GLAMS hide them when it comes with its own tail. There's no leg gear in this game that changes your tail, and these gears in question are chest gear. It's the only gear in the game that effects or accommodates a tail.
And no, it's not "a big freaking deal". You've had like 10yrs worth of piss poor tail clipping, don't like the new cape tops then don't wear them. You people on this forum seem to greatly underestimate how much the silent majority don't like trash clipping. Puzzles me every time someone ask for a new Hair Contest for this reason, because I know people are gonna vote for another 5 years of short anime protag hair for this very reason.

[RhaesDaenys]

How?
How do WE know this? I'm only playing Viera to wait for Hrothgals, so I didn't notice this change until this thread ... up until now they NEVER hide the tail unless a top gear had a tail already. This is completely new and something they have never done before to gear like this. As someone who hated seeing capes for jobs I like because my Miqote tail would break all immersion with it's clipping, I LOVE this new direction for what it means for tailed races in the future.

So how about this, until they make a show/ hide tail option they hide the tails when it makes sense and expand the library of capes that don't have tails clipping through for those who want that look?

No thank you. If they're so worried about clipping, animate a tail that fits under the cloak. Seriously. Don't be lazy and just lop the thing off. Make actual armor that makes sense.