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  1. #1
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    Ryaduera's Avatar
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    Soul Eater actually is decent healing, the problem is that the other tanks just have better healing. It just has some issues the other tanks don't.

    Brutal Shell is better because you get a shield so if your HP is capped you still get effect out. Since the heal is half of Soul Eater but the shield matches the heal, the effective HP gained is the same. On top of that, GNB has more GCD's to use so they can't use Brutal Shell as often as Soul Eater gets used since they have Gnashing combo, Burst Strike, Sonic Break, and now Double Down to take up GCD's. The healing is a little low because the vast majority of GNB I see don't even use Aurora at all, which they should be. It's a 0 cost ability, no resource cost, no DPS loss, just free HoT.

    PLD gets their heals front loaded with their burst so it will naturally be stronger. With no main GCD combo having regular sustain in it, their heals coming from both Shelltron and their magic combo, it's more of a "burst heal" I suppose, which can inflate the number a bit. But also, Clemency might be bloating that number a bit as well.

    Warrior has healing in their main combo, but also in their off globals several times over.

    DRK on the other hand only has one other GCD to use other than their main combo that has healing in it. This actually inflates that number significantly since the healing also might not even take effect. You don't overheal. It's actually worse than it looks for this reason. Just because it happens often doesn't mean it makes a difference or is in any way meaningful. Aurora suffers from this as well, but at least it's off global with 2 charges so it can be timed for when someone is taking sustained damage. Souleater just happens and we're supposed to just accept that it's a good form of healing even though there's no intention behind it. Tying a small heal to a GCD removes the idea that tank mitigations are used with intent, which every off global is. Tying it to GCD spam doesn't make it good mitigation, it makes it something that just happens without calculation, and that lies the real issue with Soul Eater being the only heal DRK has.

    Let's just make a petition to bring back a modernized version of Sole Survivor. DRK used to have a self heal, it got removed, now every tank has heals but DRK, and it's kind of insulting. Even DPS classes get more meaningful heals. Reaper got the TBN upgrade DRK deserved.
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    Last edited by Ryaduera; 12-27-2021 at 04:43 PM.

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    Xrison Wyvernscale
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaduera View Post
    Brutal Shell is better because you get a shield so if your HP is capped you still get effect out. Since the heal is half of Soul Eater but the shield matches the heal, the effective HP gained is the same.
    Brutal Shell heals for more than half of Souleater. Brutal Shell has a potency of 200 while Souleater has a potency of 300. However, because Brutal Shell offers a shield that matches the healing, you're effectively getting a 400 potency heal/shield combo with much less risk of overhealing.

    Brutal Shell is superior to Souleater in every way.
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaduera View Post
    Let's just make a petition to bring back a modernized version of Sole Survivor. DRK used to have a self heal, it got removed, now every tank has heals but DRK, and it's kind of insulting. Even DPS classes get more meaningful heals. Reaper got the TBN upgrade DRK deserved.
    I think its pretty obvious that someone on the development team fell in love with Living Shadow so much that they cannibalized future ideas for DRK and made Reaper.
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    Rujhezia Zima
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I think its pretty obvious that someone on the development team fell in love with Living Shadow so much that they cannibalized future ideas for DRK and made Reaper.
    if only they loved it enough to make it interesting like being able to keep it on the field by sacrificing darkness or refresh with every flood/edge use. Nerfed potency of course. Or maybe just not have it on a 120 second CD since not everyone thinks using all your skills every 60-120s is thrilling gameplay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I think its pretty obvious that someone on the development team fell in love with Living Shadow so much that they cannibalized future ideas for DRK and made Reaper.
    It's worse than that. Reaper shield has a heal potency, so it's the TBN rework we wanted but on a DPS class. Their avatar thing (whatever it's called) is just Living Shadow but better. Deaths Design is Darkside but better, since overcapping is actually a bad thing and you have to actually think about it. Blood Stalk and Grim Swathe are just Edge and Flood of Darkness but better, since they are tied to a resource based on their 3 part combo Gibbet/Gallows and Guillotine are just Blood Spiller and Quietus but better.. Reaper is literally the Dark Knight rework the players have been begging for.
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