Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[KizuyaKatogami]

What I mean by unable to adapt was that after Zodiark was summoned and the 2nd sacrifice happened there was a brief moment of peace. Theoretically that was the tipping point more so than his creation (theoretically because tempering inherently threw a wrench in that, the convocation were sol from the moment they "saved" the day). In that interlude the survivors debated what to do next. The convocation was going to push for sacrifice #3...and thats where everything went to hell. Had everyone been able to accept what was lost and made due with who they had left they wouldn't have needed to have been sundered. It would have been painful to accept permanent loss of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice (rip Hyth ;-;7) but it could have stopped there. Theoretically. Poor Elidibus drew the shortest stick in the planet's history :c

Elpis' ending cutscene and Ultima Thule are ultimately about people who locked their legs instead of adapting. The story is a little clumsy in the message because the writers inexplicably really wanted a self fulfilling prophesy/bootstrap paradox, but I'm pretty sure its trying to tell you that even when you're hurt, scared, sad, etc, you need to put one foot in front of the other and keep moving forward.

The problem with this message is it’s contradicted by Ironworks in ShB. Instead of sticking with what they had they decided to mess with time to bring back the WoL and avert the calamity instead of working with what they could(which we later find out was possible without time travel). That’s why i bring up the whole problem of it’s painted as a good thing when the protags do it but when the antagonists do it it’s wrong etc etc.

No, I didn't. Did you play the game? They literally told you what I said through Hermes. They didn't give a damn about the lives that didn't stick to their standards and that's what make Hermes break. That's why he goes to such lengths to try to save their lives, that's why you have Emet teach the Sanuwa how to fly.



Yeah? I'm certainly lacking more empathy than other people. That doesn't mean I would take a life as if it were nothing or a joyous thing. At least we kill them to get something in return and not because we have a God complex. Anyways, the comparison makes no sense because they were supposed to be a thousand times better than "us" imperfect beings. They were on a whole different level. And in spite of that, we have proved to be a lot more empathetic than them, especially when things go south and that can be seen in the same EW MSQ and when we do the role quests, when we try to save all kinds of people irregardless of their situation.

And no, I'm not advocating for anything, I'm just saying they weren't perfect and I don't understand why everyone thinks a society of psychopaths with a God complex was perfect. You are essentially advocating for racism and classism.

The screenshots i posted completely refute your claims on them not giving a damn about the lives. Even soulless creations they treated well, when they really didnt have to. Are you really going to bring up the muh racism and muh classism lmao. Also a society of psychopaths? Please. You're getting all up in a tizzy and spouting useless headcanon and treating it as fact.